Latinology

Salve, Latinologia!

Gratus aut grata in Vicipaediam Latinam acciperis! Ob contributa tua gratias agimus speramusque te delectari posse et manere velle.

Cum Vicipaedia nostra parva humilisque sit, paucae et exiguae sunt paginae auxilii, a quibus hortamur te ut incipias:

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• De orthographia ( ca,  en,  es,  tl)
• Enchiridion interpretis (Anglice scriptum)
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• Fontes nominum geographicorum
• Index formularum

Si plura de moribus et institutis Vicipaedianis scire vis, tibi suademus, roges in nostra Taberna, vel roges unum ex magistratibus directe.

In paginis encyclopaedicis mos noster non est nomen dare, sed in paginis disputationis memento editis tuis nomen subscribere, litteris impressis --~~~~, quibus insertis nomen tuum et dies apparebit. Quamquam vero in paginis ipsis nisi lingua Latina uti non licet, in paginis disputationum qualibet lingua scribi solet. Quodsi quid interrogare velis, vel Taberna vel pagina disputationis mea tibi patebit. Ave! Spero te "Vicipaedianum" aut "Vicipaedianam" fieri velle!

--Ioscius (disp) 18:53, 12 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

wu-tangus gens

Erasne gravis dum scribebas hanc commentationem. Procul dubio nonne scis contenta in ea esse nugas? Quaesumus, corrige ludum tuum. Gratias dein dabo.--Ioscius ^(disp) 03:02, 15 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Gravis? Spero eum fuisse serium et sincerum. ;) IacobusAmor 03:15, 15 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

admonitio severior

In english this time so you get the point. You're not helping, bud, you're hurting. This makes 3 articles, the Latinity of which is clearly unacceptable, but you're not even doing the useful things like including categories and interwiki links. You do not appear to have read our policies regarding, for instance, Roman numerals, or Proper names. You are inventing things which, although humorous at times (for instance your silly "Cum Wu-Tango Gente non debes futuere"), are done with complete disregard to Latin morphology and even simple dictionary definition. Dr. Dre est productor alborum says "Dr. Dre is, is prolonged, of white things" it does NOT say "Dr. Dre is a producer of albums."

The fun, and the difficulty, of working at this wiki is in figuring out how to talk about modern concepts IN LATIN. The goal here is not to take American English, throw a vowel on the end of a word, and call it Latin. I repeat that all this does is hurt our project, not help it, and create more work for someone else. If you do not know how to say something you should ask. If you do not know the proper way to go about creating an article, please take a look around. If you create another article like Chris Brown, Dr. Dre, or Wu-Tangus Gens, I will be forced to block you.

Sorry if my tone sounds curt, but I have already warned you once about this, and asked you to correct your "work". Instead of doing that, you created two more pages of equally useless value. I would not be saying this in this manner if I didn't think you knew exactly what I'm talking about, and just choose to ignore it because you want a page at Vicipaedia about your 3 favorite rap artists. This is not the place for it, dude.

--Ioscius ^(disp) 13:21, 17 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Re: admonitio severior

Iosci-

Si offendimus, nos paenitet.

However, let me explain. I'm a high school Latin teacher. A few days ago a student brought in the Wall Street Journal article about your website. We checked it out in class, and we all enjoyed it so much that the students wanted to take a shot at writing some articles of their own. After seeing the articles on The Simpsons and Britney Spears, we assumed "omnia permittuntur," and so they wrote the articles on topics of their choosing, We then edited them as a class. I of course realized that they were not going to be the finest articles on Vicipaedia right out of the gate, but we did work hard on them and I think your assessment of the articles was a bit on the "gravis" side (to use that word again). I'm not an experienced wiki contributor, but my understanding is that wiki editors help by correcting and improving the articles, and I assumed that our contributions would be greeted in that spirit, which would be a very valuable lesson for the students. The student who wrote the Wu Tang article was very gratified by your initial comment and that made us excited to contribute more.

I'm not exactly sure what your primary objection is--is it the subjects of the articles or the way they are written? Once again, we assumed that you welcomed all topics on the site, based on the WSJ article and what was already there. As for the writing, you mention "complete disregard to [sic] Latin morphology,” but the example you quote contains no errors that I can see. Once again, we did correct these and while I can't guarantee that we caught every mistake, the morphology is fine--I can vouch for it. As for "productor alborum," as you know, the primary meaning of "produco" is “to lead forth, produce” and, in my opinion, it works to add “-or” to a fourth principal part to mean “a person who” (e.g. actor, fautor). As for “alborum,” “album” can mean “record, list, register” and so that wasn’t too much of a stretch—if you have to make up a word, why not use the one that has come directly from Latin?

So, once again, we apologize for the anguish that our articles have apparently caused you. Still, we are all students of Latin, and in the name of education, I would invite you to help us improve: where exactly have we gone wrong, and how can we make it better? The format of wikipedia is uniquely equipped for this purpose. We would be thrilled to hear your productive suggestions. Also, if I may, I’d like to offer you some advice: now that Vicipaedia is receiving some media attention, the site will be visited by many more people who will want to learn, interact, and have fun with it—and I think that is a very good thing. You will drive yourself crazy trying to enforce total uniformity on the site. From my point of view, the fact that there is now a Wu Tang Clan article in Latin, however flawed, does help the Vicipaedia project. It helps Latin too. Vicipaedia belongs to the “populi” after all.

Vale,

Latinology http://www.youtube.com/latinology

Of course all content is welcome. I'm not objecting to the content at all. I have even written an article on the Notorious BIG, to compare the subject matter of your students. What I object to is that 1) I gave you a list of resources in my greeting to you that explain things like how to translate proper nouns, Vicipaedia:Auxilium pro editione (latine), Roman numerals, etc, and they were completely disregarded. 2) I left you a message opening the debate, since you haven't created a user page I had to write in Latin (although I should have assumed English would have been fine), suggesting that some of the material in Wu-Tangus Gens was shall we say a bit ad hoc and silly (although I did, in fact, find the translation "Cum Wu-Tango Gente non debes futuere" to be quite amusing), and instead of addressing the issue(s), 2 more articles were created with the same sort of willy-nillyness (if I may indulge in a neologism, myself).

If you read the WSJ article, you'll know that we consider this a serious project, as well as a means of endless entertainment. It's not that we don't want contributions from everyone, it's that if you don't respond when we reach out to try and open a discussion, as I did above, then there will be no actual benefit to us or to your students. I confess, I have learned more about Latin writing here in a year and a half than I did in 5 years prior to that studying it in school. This is only because I read a great deal of pages and spoke with several members of the community here and, truly and assuredly, made a couple thousand mistakes myself along the way, which people were kind enough to correct and explain.

I suggest creating your user page, explaining who you/y'all are and what you're doing. Read some of our featured pages get a sense for how a page is constructed. Encourage students to get individual accounts, if they want, so they can work on articles themselves, and ask us questions and receive answers individually, instead of through one main teacher's page (that last one isn't necessary, if you all feel more comfortable operating with one account). Encourage them to say what they can say correctly and ask about how to say more complicated things. There are plenty of users who check the pages created every day and will be more than happy to help.

Oh yeah, I also noticed a few place names in your students' articles. You might check out Fontes nominum locorum. Thanks for coming by, and bringing your class. Let's see if we can work together? Regards--Ioscius ^(disp) 16:18, 18 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Youtube

I just wanted to let you know that I was checking out your Youtube! I didn't get a chance to watch much but it looks pretty cool, especially the Catullus song. And by the way, you should work on teaching your students who's in charge! Rideo... -- Secundus Zephyrus 05:42, 19 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It's great to hear from people who enjoy that Catullus video--even Richard LaFleur, the editor of Wheelock's, gave it the thumbs up. Thanks for the note.

Aha, so that was you! Yeah, man, that video was great, I found it about 3 weeks ago, and showed everyone in my elegy class.--Ioscius ^(disp) 22:47, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Alas my listening skills aren't good enough to fully enjoy it but its great to have the resource.--Rafaelgarcia 23:53, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

interwikis

Hey, Latinology--

When you or your kids make a page, could you please have them put up interwiki links? This is done by going to the corresponding English page, copying the list of interwikis at the bottom, and pasting them here. While you're at the English wikipedia, don't forget to include a link here:

http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scrubs&curid=37856&diff=362924&oldid=362903 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scrubs_%28TV_series%29&diff=166304392&oldid=166304166

Further, I changed vestes medicae to vestes medici (although maybe we should change it further to medicorum...) because vestes medicae to me sounds like it could mean sanitary clothes, or some other dress for the actual sick person.

Thanks!

--Ioscius ^(disp) 16:11, 22 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

OK will do. How do you do that signature with the current time?

Quoting from the very first thing on your talk page, which I repeat has some very useful information in it: In ipsis paginis mos noster non est nomen dare, sed in paginis disputationis memento scriptis tuis subsignare, litteris imprimendis --~~~~, quae sua sponte et nomen tuum et diem dabunt.--Ioscius ^(disp) 16:29, 22 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Huc nihil adit--

Latinology 17:48, 22 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Dubcat

Quid est "dubcat"? Non intellego, et paginam "dubcat" vidi. --Latinology 19:32, 19 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Utimur in paginis ubi nulla categoria data est. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:00, 19 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Porta eruditionis

Xaverius Latinology s.p.d. Te rogo videre has res: Vicipaedia:Taberna#Porta_eruditionis et Vicipaedia:Porta_eruditionis. Gratias ago!--Xaverius 11:16, 5 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Esto! Quid nobis agendum sit? ----Latinology 02:41, 10 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Nescio, sed puto existimationem tuam optimam esse de ha re.--Xaverius 18:24, 18 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Cowbell

I will never think of the 3rd Declension the same way again... -- Secundus Zephyrus 01:17, 14 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)