Disputatio Usoris:UV/2021

Vide etiam disputationes annorum 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 et 2020.

De siglis DOI etc.

Salve, UV! Responsum tuum de opinione, quam hodie apud Iacobum scripsi, volenter legem. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:28, 19 Martii 2021 (UTC)

Responsum dedi. Ut valeas optime! --UV (disputatio) 23:10, 19 Martii 2021 (UTC)

Bild hochladen

Salve! Ich schreibe zwar schon länger in "Vicipaedia la", bin in technicis aber ganz unerfahren. Deshalb meine Bitte um Hilfe: Ich möchte auf die Seite "Septem dormientes" das Bild von der Kirche in Rotthof hochladen, das sich auf der deutschen Seite "Sieben Schläfer von Ephesus" befindet. Ich habe schon in der "disputatio" gebeten, ob das nicht jemand übernehmen könnte; das tat aber niemand. Mit meinen eigenen Versuchen kam ich nicht weiter. Wenn Du mir also verraten könntest, wie man das macht, wäre mir sehr geholfen. Multis te impertiens salutationibus.--Bavarese (disputatio)Bavarese

OK? :) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:45, 8 Aprilis 2021 (UTC)

Salve, Bavarese, et gratias Iacobo, qui celeriter adiuvit! Das mit dem Hochladen von Bildern ist tatsächlich nicht trivial - im vorliegenden Fall war aber das Bild bereits auf commons: vorhanden - und alle Bilder, die sich dort befinden, können von jeder Wikipedia unmittelbar verwendet werden. Ut valeas optime! --UV (disputatio) 21:35, 8 Aprilis 2021 (UTC)

Negotiis - et iucundis et iniucundis - diu impeditus hodie tandem gratias vobis ago plurimas, qui subito succurreritis. Ut bene valeatis! --Bavarese (disputatio)

Feci irregulariter ... Da veniam, UV. Et ego interdum aberam. Maximo gaudio te denuo revenisse certior fio. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:02, 14 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

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De harenariis utentium

Hi, UV, and welcome back. In case you wished to give an opinion for or against Klein Muçi's proposal for a Personal sandbox extension, feel free to do so! As you will see there, I think this could be useful to some and I cannot see any disadvantage.

If you have time, you will maybe glance at other recent discussions with Klein Muçi. Of the ideas that he has put forward, I have encouraged him to use Internet Archive bot here -- I think it could help a lot to restore external links to life. I have said frankly that I'm quite uncertain whether converting bibliography entries into templates is a good idea: I'm still uncertain. Your wider knowledge of the technical context and of other projects would help, I'm sure. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:27, 17 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

Concerning the "personal sandbox link", I do not see any disadvantages other than those listed on the page mw:Extension:SandboxLink in paragraph 3. I do not know whether these disadvantages should be considered severe/significant, but I suspect that they are usually not.

Bibliography entries, now: My observation is that there is not a single uniform standard on wikipedia (not even on the English wikipedia, let alone on wikipedias in general) on how bibliography entries should be presented to the reader, let alone how they should be formatted by the editor (using wikitext or using templates). I suspect that wikitext makes is easier for "readers to become editors" than a complex system of templates. That said, I would not want to invest huge amounts of time in any system of bibliography templates myself at present.

Bibliography entries, possibly someday in the future: Wikidata already today contains an abundant number of Wikidata items on books, magazine articles, etc. If there is one good strategy on how to deal with bibliography entries on Wikipedia, in my view this strategy would need to make use of the material already present on Wikidata, in a manner similar to en:Template:Cite Q (without its " |expand=yes" functionality). However, en:Template:Cite Q seems to be not yet really accepted on en.wikipedia, therefore I am still hoping that one day, in say five or ten years, such a functionality will be centrally provided for all wikipedias (via a MediaWiki extension or via a possible future central repository for gadgets, templates and Lua modules), i.e. without the need to copy gadgets/templates/modules here and to regularly update them manually.

Greetings, --UV (disputatio) 21:07, 17 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for commenting. I hadn't noticed the warning (your link above) about late loading of the extension leading to mis-clicks. I understand: it is a potential disadvantage, but it's hard to judge in advance how serious the effect would be. I mentioned it to Klein Muci on my talk page. If the extension is installed and this is really a problem, others will certainly point it out.

On bibliography entries, now I agree with you -- complex templates repel occasional editors and clutter the edit screen. In addition, they encourage the addition of unnecessary and false details to fill an empty space: it happens a great deal on en:wiki. A substantive proposal about this needs to be discussed by all active editors ... I suspect few if any would be in favour. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:31, 18 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

en:Template:Cite Q works well on the two [en:wiki] pages given as examples, especially with Harvard-type citations giving specific page references in footnotes. That's impressive: a vision of the future. How long it would take to get each reference, via Wikidata, into its place on each page, I can hardly judge. Not to mention getting it into Wikidata if it isn't there already. And a casual editor, making a useful correction and wanting to add a reference, surely couldn't do it that way. Well, it's something we can watch as it develops. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:56, 18 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

... and now I have looked at what goes on with "|expand=yes". If I'm correct, this has be done if (for example) the editor wants to reverse surnames and first names. Laborious, easy to make mistakes, easy to produce an inconsistent bibliography. How simple the pagenames of Wikipedia are (except the Russian ones) because, unlike all other reference sources at the time, we just wrote names the way they really are. What a pity that the English-language style manuals didn't learn this lesson from us :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:40, 19 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

Protection

I protected Vicipaedia:Dump/Paginae desideratae because of repeated anonymous edits by the Disney child. If the protection inhibits the work of UVbot, feel free to unprotect, of course. And Happy New Year tonight/tomorrow! 10:21, 31 Decembris 2021 (UTC)

No problem! Happy New Year! --UV (disputatio) 23:32, 31 Decembris 2021 (UTC)