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:::::Can either version be cited? As I have said, they both disagree with the standard version that I linked to. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 09:59, 26 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::::::As far as I am concerned you may replace the anonymous translation on [[Al-Fatiha]] by an officially published one. But this is only ''my'' view: please give others some time to respond. The parallel translation on [[Alcoranus]] should go altogether, as Andrew observes. I will also invite [[Usor:Ceylon]], who is more knowledgable in these matters than most of us, to respond. --[[Usor:Fabullus|Fabullus]] 10:20, 26 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I am not sure I have followed the whole discussion, but as far as the 18th c. translation quoted by Pantocrator ("In nomine Dei misericordis et miseratoris. Laus Deo Domino mundanorum misericordi et miseratori, regi in die iudicii. Te colimus, in te confidimus. Offer nos stratae viae directae, stratae per gratiam datae illis, super quos non est ira Dei, neque errant") is concerned, it differs little from the version in the article, but where it differs, it is usually less literal. E.g. الرحمن الرحيم is unconnected in Arabic ("misericordis miseratoris"); ملك يوم الدين is a genitive construction ("regi diei iudicii", not "in die"); the X. root of عين means 'ask for help' or 'seek help' rather than 'trust in'; how the translator wished 'offer nos stratae viae directae' to be understood, is not altogether clear to me - اهدنا الصرط المستقيم just means 'lead us the straight way' etc. At the end of the day, of course, Islam recognises no translation of the Quran into other languages at all; and the 18th century version does the job of giving an rough impression of the sense. What would seem more important is expanding the article beyond the quotation, in line with what other Wikipedias have to say on this important text, which every Muslim is supposed to recite several times a day.--[[Usor:Ceylon|Ceylon]] 19:00, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
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