Disputatio:Migrationes Europaeae populorum et gentium

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Please, someone tell me if I am going off the tangent. I feel as if I was writting the history of the migrant peoples rather than the migration period... any further suggestion?--Xaverius 22:09, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Actually, this could be a pagina mensis, because it still needs more content, although I doubt that having had Hispania Visigothica recently, this has any chances of being pagina mensis any soon... which on the other hand, gives me time enough to finish this article and reference it...--Xaverius 17:22, 24 Octobris 2007 (UTC)


What's the source for this spelling, Xaveri? I have seen Iutae; I don't think I've ever seen Euti. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:51, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Venantius Fortunatus has Euti in his poem #9 dedicated to Chilperic--Xaverius 09:04, 31 Iulii 2008 (UTC)
If Latin-speakers of the Middle Ages usually called them Iutae, then perhaps Iutae should be the form generally in use here, with a footnote in the article Iutae (why is there no such article?) to record the occurrence of other forms. IacobusAmor 09:52, 31 Iulii 2008 (UTC)

Misleading titleRecensere

Here's a POV problem: an article titled "Of the migrations of peoples and clans" (Migrationum populorum et gentium), especially one treating the first five or six centuries of the present era, by focusing on Europe is remiss in ignoring most of the major migrations that occurred in that period. I refer first to the migrations that covered the widest amount of space: from Indonesia to Madagascar, maybe 5000 miles away. Also, at about the same time, Polynesians were traveling from Samoa maybe 2000 miles northeastward to settle the Marquesas, and Bantu-speakers were migrating east and southeast, into the center of Africa and beyond. Perhaps the present title needs adjusting, so as to limit the topic to Europe and its environs. At the moment, it promises more than it delivers. IacobusAmor 09:52, 31 Iulii 2008 (UTC)

What about Migrationes Germanicae? and Völkerwanderung re-directing to it? And we could even make this page a short article explaining the phenomenon in a global scale and then leading to Migrationes Germanicae, Migrationes Austronesicae and other migrations of the same period which I ignore.--Xaverius 09:58, 31 Iulii 2008 (UTC)
On a tangent here ... popular and useful though the POV concept is, I would argue that this isn't a POV problem. It's a normal and welcome feature of an encyclopedia that builds up online. The first author isn't trying, or shouldn't be, to make a complete article. Said first author is writing what he knows and inviting others to add what they know. In the course of this, articles will often be renamed, split, remodelled, etc. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:46, 4 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
Not to know (and therefore say) something that should be known (and therefore said) can represent a POV. The article I was querying didn't know that, as Wikipedia says, "The Migration Period, also called Barbarian Invasions or Völkerwanderung (German for "wandering of peoples"), is a name given by historians to a human migration which occurred within the period of roughly AD 300–700 in Europe." Our text assumed that "The Migrations of Peoples and Clans" had significance only for Europe. Even Völkerwanderung, the presumably scholarly term, suggests a POV: European folks count, and others don't (so let's not mention them). It could be part of the old bias in which music = 'European music', and other musics are "ethnomusic," "traditional music," and such. ¶ The subject of the article itself doesn't interest me much, and time is short for now, so I'm not going to amplify the text myself; others may feel free to do so! IacobusAmor 13:17, 4 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
I agree, lets move it to Migrationes Europeae populorum et gentium--Rafaelgarcia 19:11, 4 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
Nonetheless the well-established terms for this topic are "Migration Period" (english) or "Völkerwanderung" (german), so why not use it in latin wikipedia? Of course the article should start out with a disambiguation, saying that "Migration Period" refers to a very specific case namely the European migrations in the early part of the first millennium CE. Denwid 16:04, 19 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)
Latina lingua est generaliter Latinorum et specialiter Romanorum, quare Vicipaedia Latina debet vocabula Romana usurpare quam potest, NEC LOCUTIONIBUS GERMANICIS UTENDUM EST, SED ROMANIS! Et OMNIBUS IN LINGUIS ROMAN(IC)IS "migrationes" istae (quae minime pacificae fuerunt migrationes, sed armatae, quamobrem invasiones verae) INVASIONES BARBAR(IC)AE VOCANTUR! Cf. Italice Invasioni barbariche, Francogallice Invasions barbares, Hispanice Invasiones barbàras, quare etiam in Romana ipsa lingua utendum est locutione Invasiones barbar(ic)ae, migrationes autem relinquatur linguis barbaris (e.g. Anglicae et Theodiscae)!
Mihi quoque videtur esse mutandum hunc titulum... Aetas migrationum brevitatis causa propono.Autokrator (disputatio) 22:14, 16 Decembris 2013 (UTC)
Revertere ad "Migrationes Europaeae populorum et gentium".