Disputatio Formulae:Cancellarii Germaniae
I have some issues with this template.
First of all, I don't think Hugo Haase should be there. He was co-chairman of the Council of the People's Deputies together with Ebert. The Council of the People's Deputies was a revolutionary body that basically replaced both the emperor and parliament, but below that there still was Ebert's cabinet that had seen the light of day by von Baden - anticonstitutionally - transferring his office of chancellor to him while the Staatssekretäre (actually ministers) stayed in place (some where later replaced). So, Ebert and Haase can be seen as co-heads of state, but Ebert alone was the head of government and the only one who could call himself Reichskanzler (which was not only a formal thing, he was the only one civil servants would actually report to).
Then, I have a doubt on where to put Ebert. If I take the flags as starting point, he should clearly be under Black-White-Red, because the flag was only changed later, when Ebert was already president. The same is true for the word "Weimar", because Ebert ceased to be chancellor and became president when the National Assembly first gathered in Weimar. On the other hand, it is true that his power already was based on the revolution and not on the former constitution (under which only the emperor could have made him chancellor). So, I really don't know.
No doubt however on a different point: I think that it it ridiculous to have Schwerin von Krosigk in the list (who didn't even call himself chancellor but "Leitender Minister" (adminster gubernans) and "governed" over 14 square km for 21 days) but not Hermann Pünder two years later (who headed a real cabinet with real power, responsible before an actual (though indirectly elected) parliament, and governed in this way the majority of what was left of Germany). So, I would add this section:
Territorium oeconomicum coniunctum(de)
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Hermannus Pünder (praefectus superior) |
-- Sigur (disputatio) 21:23, 27 Septembris 2019 (UTC)
- Just adding a point here: we have redesigned the politician navboxes for all countries except Germany, adding many new ones. (We have always been very strong in this area, thanks to Helveticus Montanus and Schulz-Hameln.) They now cover all countries with stable governments. No other language wikipedia can claim this. A strong reason for the redesign was that our Vicipaedia navboxes are visible and always open in mobile view (navboxes in most other languages disappear in mobile view): it was imperative to limit their size so that they don't outweigh the rest of the mobile page.
- For this redesign our navboxes for Germany were the original model, because they are excellent, and of reasonable size already. But this one was designed a long time ago, before anybody read Wikipedia on mobile view, and it needs to be updated in several ways, including the specific points you raise.
- In general we are now excluding interim/acting ministers etc. They should of course be mentioned and linked to from the texts of articles about their predecessors and successors. In general, temporary office-holders don't have much long term effect on the country's politics: the aim with a navbox (I would say) should always be to include what is most helpful and notable. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:43, 28 Septembris 2019 (UTC)