Disputatio:Cultura occidentalis

Tandem!

Oh goody. At last we know what "Western culture" is :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:42, 16 Septembris 2012 (UTC)

The Latinity is improved (to my eyes, English though they be).

I don't think we should offer four alternative lemmas all in bold: I'd say just one, in fact, unless there are Latin sources for alternative terms. Offering four implies that we haven't decided what we're talking about or don't know how to say it. If we agree on "cultura occidentalis", may we remove or demote the other three? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:43, 2 Maii 2015 (UTC)

We don't all agree with the abolishing of distinctions that capital letters can make: over here, the phrase western culture evokes ideas of cowboys & rodeos, while Western culture is something larger. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:28, 2 Maii 2015 (UTC)

To me the movies are Westerns with a capital W ... Unluckily this remark doesn't help to solve the issue of Occidentalis/occidentalis in Latin. Sorry.

I didn't catch any objection to my proposal for reducing the numbver of lemmas, so I'll do that. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:19, 7 Maii 2015 (UTC)

For some reason I didn't. I'll do it now. I would say that if the lemma is unsatisfactory, it doesn't help to multiply lemmas: the semantic problem ought really to be worked out in plain text. Anyway, I found a good modern Latin source for "Cultura occidentalis". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:32, 8 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

By the way, in remarking on the Latinity (above) I mean no criticism of yours. I envy the Latin you produce when you let yourself go. I think, when translating from English, you are sometimes too kind to the original when its quality and cogency don't deserve such kindness. Wikipedia English is often committee English, after all:. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:19, 7 Maii 2015 (UTC)

Editor sine nomine

Care 84.78.41.133, "Septentrionalisrum" non est vocabulum Latinum. Ergo, rem refecimus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 00:09, 1 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

Just curious

Just curious, but why do seemingly multiple editors think that South America doesn't exhibit "Western Culture"? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:31, 8 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

I find it a bit difficult to grasp the objections since the editors concerned can't write Latin. You might like to see whether similar persistent changes are being made in other languages. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:20, 8 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

Si tabulae ex Huntington credimus, quae in paginam inserta est. editor anonymus recte corrigit. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 21:01, 8 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

It's a complex idea, and some of the insertions ignore subtleties in the English version. For example, the recent editors, inserting a bare Australasia, are asserting that Borneo (e.g.) is a bastion of Western culture. Maybe they think that Australasia = Australia + New Zealand. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:38, 8 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

A, bene, gratias tibi ago, mi Demetri. Haec tabula mihi pluras res explicat (inter alias, rationem valli Trumpiani quod Mexicum a Civitatibus Foederatis dividet). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:22, 9 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)

The map is from The Clash of Civilizations (a title that alone tells us something about his worldview). Huntington had what was described as a "hawkish conservative" perception of the world, and he was what the Guardian called "a cold war liberal with a conservative cast of mind." His work was hardly without consequential prejudices, and he had a notable and not necessarily benign career beyond the groves of academia (Harvard). As an adviser to the government of Brazil, he counseled against rapid liberalization. As an adviser to the government of South Africa, he counseled, as Wikipedia says, increasing "the repressive power of the state (which at that time included police violence, detention without trial, and torture)" and acknowledged that this would include "duplicity, deceit, faulty assumptions and purposeful blindness." Proto-Trumpically, his last book argued that immigration from the south would negatively transform North America. In foreseeing the future war of civilizations, he overemphasized the challenge of Islam and underestimated the economic rise of China. He was twice nominated and twice defeated (by his peers) for a seat in the National Academy of Sciences. Therefore, to rely on his definition of what constitutes "Western culture" is perhaps not entirely advisable. Problems with the whole enterprise can be found here. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:54, 9 Ianuarii 2021 (UTC)