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:::To be fair, I’m pretty sure Auitus specifically ''did'' give the advantage of using ligatures appropriately—he showed some examples of words where oë or aë are pronounced separately and words where oe and ae represent diphthongs.
:::Also, I am genuinely curious, ’cause it seems like there must be a more compelling reason than just “these textbooks do it that way,” but I don’t think I’ve quite seen it articulated—can someone please explain why V but not J? —[[Specialis:Conlationes/208.90.215.35|208.90.215.35]] 09:21, 10 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
::::There are two varieties of latin spoken today: in the church u and v are pronounced differently, in the academic they pronounced the same; in both church and academic, j and i- consonant would be pronounced the same except in words from other languages: even in older texts such as the bible when both i-consonant and j are used side by side the i appearing before another vowel is a consonant, but j does not appear between a consonant and a vowel unless it starts a new word, as already discussed above. So j in both types of latin pronunciation is at best an alternative version of i-consonant that appears between two vowels or at the beginning of a word, or is used for other sounds from foreign languages such as english. Besides ligatures, are a number of other medieval spelling conventions that were once used for space economy but are disused today, such as a tilde over a vowel to indicate a following m. In europe, ligatured ae and oe where once also pronounced the same as e, rather than as diphthongs, but that style of pronunciation died in the 19th century.--[[Specialis:Conlationes/123.192.69.44|123.192.69.44]] 03:30, 13 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
Don’t be offended if I tell you this, but your style reminds me of that of Squealer from Animal Farm: you write well and abundantly, but the aftertaste, after having read it all, is flavourless. I found myself uttering the words «Napoleon is always right!» after reading your message. /// i) You speak about consensus, and this is reasonable, but you forget to point to me where and how consensus was reached. ii) You write «attention to style and appearance is necessary because unwise choices can deter readers»; two lines below you write «If the consensus should change around us, so that most potential contributors and users are familiar with that orthography, why -- then we can change! [I hope not like Obama did]». So— was it for the readers or the contributors? You may be an expert in your field, but you can’t contradict yourself so grossly and pretend to be considered as such. iii) You used the word «mistake» to apostrophize my opinions three times, which means that you must be right and discussing is pointless. iv) I was missing the infinite diatribe between Napoleon&company and Avitus back in 2007; I went through the whole thread yesterday and it killed all the interest and sympathy I had for Vicipaedia. Bye and thank you for your time. — anonimo.
:In case it wasn't clear, in referring to a consensus above I meant the consensus of modern writers and editors of Latin, in print and on the Web.
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