Disputatio:Ruben Serrano Calvo

I call for a deletion of this article. It is part of a selfpromoting spamming of more than 40 editions of wikipedia. Alle articles (except those on en: and es:) are created by anonymoums/unregistred first-edit-users, they have the same brief text.

Please also note that all his books are in spanish, and neither of them have been translated to your language. Thus he is not very relevant to readers of your laguage. I who write this is admin at no:wp as no:bruker:Orland. With greetings; --Orland 05:49, 29 Maii 2008 (UTC)

from my point of view I do not see any reason to delete him. His name is on a list of spanish writers, cfr. nexus externi--Massimo Macconi 13:24, 29 Maii 2008 (UTC)--85.1.81.131 13:23, 29 Maii 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Massimo. The argument about his being "not very relevant to readers of your laguage" doesn't seem to make sense on Vicipaedia (whether it applies to other wikis I leave it to them to decide). But thanks for the pointer, Orland: I will add him to our page Vicipaedia:Propaganda. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:28, 29 Maii 2008 (UTC)

My name is Juan Carlos García and I'm es:usuario:selvinderan in es:wp. I am the author of this article. It's not selfpromoting spamming.

This article and others have been created to extend and to improve Wikipedia.

More information in Discusión Rubén Serrano es:wp

I realise that the standard notification not very relevant to readers of your laguage is somewhat misplaced here on la:wp. Please take a look at the spanish discussion page for a update in this case, and see also en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rubén Serrano; og pl:Wikipedia:SDU/Rubén Serrano; og fr:Wikipédia:Pages protégées à la création/Juin 2008; og de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/2. Juni 2008#Rubén Serrano. --Orland 00:14, 3 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

The article has been erased in es:wp because it was a selfpromoting spamming. Gusgus 07:34, 3 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Mr García is probably Serrano's publisher, according to discussion on other wikis, and if so is not quite disinterested. To keep the article, what we would want is evidence that Serrano has been reviewed in the press. This works against him, I fear: it is just a press-release, and additionally betrays the fact that he pays for his books to be published. That's a bad sign. Orland may be right this time!

His books seem not to be available at Casa del Libro. That's a bad sign too.

But they do exist! Three of them can be found by searching "Rubén Serrano" at the Biblioteca Nacional. Has anyone reviewed them, that's the question. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:20, 3 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

An encyclopedia ideally containing millions of articles might well want to accept as a matter of principle that anyone who (1) is a natural person (i.e., not a hoax) and (2) has published five real books (or maybe even just one real book) can be the subject of an article, no matter how the information happens to come to light. Many historical figures are known mainly because they were self-promoters, and many nonnegligible others are lost to us because more powerful self-promoters squelched them and their works. IacobusAmor 12:47, 3 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

"Ideally" you might be right; but bear in mind that anyone can publish a real book, just as anyone can put up a real homepage or a real blog. It's a bit more complicated, that's all. You write it, you pay a printer to print it, you apply to the national bibliographical service for an ISBN, you send it to the national library. Doing this proves that you have money to spend, but I don't think it proves you are notable. That's why en:wiki (for example) wants there to be at least two published reviews before an author gets to be notable, and that's a pretty easy test, I would say. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:54, 5 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

I have added references that demonstrate the validity of the article.--80.32.164.112 10:54, 5 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Not for us. These are press releases. A photograph of Serrano and four bored charity people does not prove that he or his books are notable. Sorry.

To prove notability as an author, you need to find some other real and known persons who have reviewed his books in a real newspaper or periodical and signed their names. To prove notability as a journalist, he would have to work for a real newspaper which pays him real money, and you would need to cite one or two articles that have won prizes or demonstrably evoked a strong reaction. To prove notability as a philanthropist, you need publications that show that the charities concerned have been helped by his work in some significant way.

We need independent names, not connected with Serrano, not anonymous. If this can't be done, you are wasting time. The articles will be deleted. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:38, 5 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Please, to search "Rubén Serrano" in the National Library of Spain. His books are there. I believe that it is a trustworthy enough reference.--83.54.215.17 13:17, 6 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

I've already done that (see above). But that's not enough: not all the books in the National Library are notable. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:04, 6 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

What is more: the database findings underlines what is the problem: These books are published by mr Serrano himself, not by a known publishing house. This matter is, also, already discussed at en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rubén Serrano; where a relevant statement was: «The only thing that can qualify this article as eligible for publication is mainstream distribution of Serrano's books, which is - as shown above - not happening».
Best wishes, from summer heat at the atlantic coast of Norway --Orland 17:22, 6 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Nonne sunt primus Gualterii Whitman liber et Ioannis Miltoni Areopagitica et prima Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam editio ab auctoribus ipsis prolatae? IacobusAmor 01:35, 12 Iunii 2008 (UTC)