Disputatio:Gens Bachia

Suffixum -ia vs. -iana

Hmm. Perhaps those moves were too hasty. Certainly the modern productive adjectival suffix is -iana, while the modern productive nominal suffix is -ia (as in genus Bachia), and this differentiation would be recognized today as such; but ancient usage, not required to distinguish taxonomically like this, may have differed (see Gens Cornelia etc.). Likewise with the analogous changes just made. ¶ The adjective Bachiana is well-known, and not just in biological nomenclature, being seen, for example, in Bachianas Brasileiras and Orquestra Bachiana Filarmônica Sesi-SP and Bachiana ~ Music by the Bach Family and Scala bachiana and many other places. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:29, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Locutio "Gens Bachiana", mea mente, haud cum usu antiquo congruit: cf. e.g. "Gens Claudia" cuius viri nomen "Claudius" gerebant. Motibus a te effectis, tibi licet fontes Latinos verborum "Bernoulliana, Breugeliana" &c citare ... aut, si dubitas, commenta aliorum manere ... aut rursus movere ... :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:47, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Familia vs. gens

What's the intended difference between familia, as seen in Familia Breugeliana & Familia Darwiniana, and gens, as seen in Gens Bachiana & Gens Bernoulliana? Perhaps gens would best be reserved for the ancient concept and familia for the modern one? But more precisely, a clan (gens) is a collection of families (familiae). For these considerations and to distinguish between ancient & modern suffixes (see above), I propose changing the last two to Familia Bachiana and Familia Bernoulliana. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:37, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Ita, fortasse "Familia ..." praeferenda est. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:47, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Etiam apud antiquos fiebat confusio inter verba Gens et familia in primo saeculo, quia lente "gentes" ut societates religiosae disparuerunt. Praetuli "familia" quia hoc est usus magis modernus, et nulla fit confusio cum "populo" quia "gens" habet duplicem sensum "nationes" et "familiae" patrilineares. Igitur melius est loqui de "familiae ingenio praepollentes" quam de "gentes ingenio praecellentes" quia confusio fieri potest cum "nationes ingenio..." quod aliquatenus "racismo" redolere potest. Valete optume.--Viator (disputatio) 16:03, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Dicitur secundum grammaticam classicam : gens (sive familia) Iulia, gens Cornelia etc... Filii adoptivi Iuliani erant non Iulii. Terminatio -anus est adiectiva, e. g. ars pingendi Breugeliana, ars musica Bachiana, concentus Bachianus, sed familia Bachia, familia Breugelia etc....--Viator (disputatio) 16:08, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Videsis : Gentes Romanae--Viator (disputatio) 16:10, 15 Septembris 2014 (UTC)