Disputatio:Arx Vorthensis
Latest comment: abhinc 6 annos by Andrew Dalby in topic Error De Comitatu
Disambiguatio recensere
- Latine non utimur virgula (comma) inter nomina urbis et civitatis. Si necesse est, possumus uti genitivo (Nazaretha Galilaeae, Lutetia Parisiorum). Non scio si hic necesse est; pro tempore movi ad Castrum Vorthi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:14, 22 Martii 2007 (UTC)
- The database of names of Catholic Diocese list Fort-Worth as Arcis-Vorthum. I think this makes sense because Fort Worth is not literally a fort, but a base of military operations along with a sprawling city in the metropolitan are around Dallas. Also, this rendering makes the name one word and eliminates the need for the genitive of Vorthum.Andy85719 21:35, 17 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
- Well, firstly in Arx towns (Arcis is just the website showing the genitive (unless of the stronghold Worth is acceptible as a name)) you have to separate the words (e.g. Arx Tavastae in Finland) unless you add -burgum (so Arx Tavastae could be Tavasteburgum). The problem with that is (like you said) F.W. isn't the site of a castle style fort so Arx would have to be used. I also doubt that you could get around the genitive so the answer would be Vorthi Arx (or the other way around - but Graesse prefers to put Arx, Portus etc. to the end of a place name.) --Harrissimo 22:28, 17 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the Catholic Diocese list is a solid source -- at least as good as Graesse. But it gives adjectives, and the adjective is "Dioecesis Arcis-Vorthensis". Unless one of us is in contact with the bishop of Fort Worth, that (I think) as far as we can get with that source. (Andy, please correct me if you have found a noun form of this name somewhere on the Catholic site!)
- In modern Latin, hyphens are often added to form adjectives out of names that originally consist of more than one word: you have to separate the words, as Harrissimo says. I diagnose the base form here to have been Arx Vorthi (I admit it might have been Arx Vorthus or Arx Vorthensis but I agree that a genitive is most likely.) On that basis, I would go for Arx Vorthi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 07:21, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
- I would have thought Arx Vorthensis was more valid. Firstly the adjective makes the same amount of sense as a genitive (has the same meaning at the very least) and secondly, if Catholic Hierarchy had wanted to it would have used the genitive (it never shies away from this in South American cities, always Sancti Xi, not SanctiXensis. This makes Vorthensis safer - we are making no assumptions that it is Vorthi (the genitive could be Vorthae, Vorthes, Vorthis). Harrissimo 22:53, 5 Februarii 2008 (UTC).
- "The Latin adjective is often used where in English we employ the preposition 'of' with a noun. . . .
- Pugna Cannensis (not Cannarum). The battle of Cannae.
- Populus Romanus (never Romae). The people of Rome."
- —Bradley's Arnold, #58(i). That's why, for Robertus Ludovicus Stevenson, I invented the category Scriptores Scotici (but it has been changed to Scriptores Scotiae), and one often sees in Vicipaedia a genitive noun where Bradley's Arnold would seem to urge an adjective. IacobusAmor 00:47, 6 Februarii 2008 (UTC)
- You imagined the category, but you didn't create it! Since you left someone else to do that, and the someone was me, I followed one of our other precedents. Parent's prerogative. But if you want me to change it, I will, with pleasure. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:10, 6 Februarii 2008 (UTC)
- In the present case, I'd be perfectly happy with Arx Vorthensis. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:17, 6 Februarii 2008 (UTC)
- By analogy, doesn't this make Lake Worth (Florida) Lacus Vorthensis? After all, it was named for the same man, William J. Worth—or, more precisely, it was named for the lagoon that was named for him. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:48, 10 Novembris 2017 (UTC)
- "The Latin adjective is often used where in English we employ the preposition 'of' with a noun. . . .
- I would have thought Arx Vorthensis was more valid. Firstly the adjective makes the same amount of sense as a genitive (has the same meaning at the very least) and secondly, if Catholic Hierarchy had wanted to it would have used the genitive (it never shies away from this in South American cities, always Sancti Xi, not SanctiXensis. This makes Vorthensis safer - we are making no assumptions that it is Vorthi (the genitive could be Vorthae, Vorthes, Vorthis). Harrissimo 22:53, 5 Februarii 2008 (UTC).
- Well, firstly in Arx towns (Arcis is just the website showing the genitive (unless of the stronghold Worth is acceptible as a name)) you have to separate the words (e.g. Arx Tavastae in Finland) unless you add -burgum (so Arx Tavastae could be Tavasteburgum). The problem with that is (like you said) F.W. isn't the site of a castle style fort so Arx would have to be used. I also doubt that you could get around the genitive so the answer would be Vorthi Arx (or the other way around - but Graesse prefers to put Arx, Portus etc. to the end of a place name.) --Harrissimo 22:28, 17 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
- The database of names of Catholic Diocese list Fort-Worth as Arcis-Vorthum. I think this makes sense because Fort Worth is not literally a fort, but a base of military operations along with a sprawling city in the metropolitan are around Dallas. Also, this rendering makes the name one word and eliminates the need for the genitive of Vorthum.Andy85719 21:35, 17 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
Error De Comitatu recensere
Quid in capsa dextra dicitur comitatum esse Tarantum cum in textu Tarant? Wiki user wiki (disputatio) 17:18, 9 Novembris 2017 (UTC)
- Quia Vicipaedia est a work in progress! Hoc casu, nisi fontem reperimus nominis "comitatus Tarrantus" (id quod haud exspecto) debemus "Tarrant" scribere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:05, 10 Novembris 2017 (UTC)
nota est urbs vaccae recensere
Fortasse aptius: Hanc urbem inter omnes constat urbem vaccae esse. --Bavarese (disputatio) 12:32, 10 Novembris 2017 (UTC)