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:::Yes, that true; it is predicated of a civitas as well; it includes imperium as well as power over other peoples. Also imperium is used both in the primary sense of a power of an individual, the power of the civitas, as the name of the Roman Empire, and in the sense of empire in general.--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 14:43, 18 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
::::Pulling words apart and trying to understand their original meaning is only ever partly useful. We can't be too concerned about what Johnny Roman thought when we are trying to convey the modern idea of a state, whether it be a nanny monarchy or a psychotic dictatorship. Dicio seems to be that word in recent Latin rather than civitas from what I have seen. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.36.94.228|82.36.94.228]] 10:30, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
:::::Where? How recent? Pulling words apart? Not sure what that means... From what people were citing sources: dictionary entries, scholarly descriptions of the term, attestations of how the term is used, all show that it has a specific meaning. If you have evidence otherwise pony up.--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 12:39, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
 
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