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::Attested examples show that ''dicio'' may be larger than 'the sovereign authority of an individual'. As quoted in Cassell's, Cicero says ''redigere bellicosissimas gentes in dicionem huius imperii'' (which I take for something like 'to drive the most warlike peoples into the control of this empire') and ''urbes multas sub imperium populi Romani dicionemque subiungere'' ('to subjugate many cities under the command and authority of the Roman people'). [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 14:26, 18 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, that true; it is predicated of a civitas as well; it includes imperium as well as power over other peoples. Also imperium is used both in the primary sense of a power of an individual, the power of the civitas, as the name of the Roman Empire, and in the sense of empire in general.--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 14:43, 18 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
::::Pulling words apart and trying to understand their original meaning is only ever partly useful. We can't be too concerned about what Johnny Roman thought when we are trying to convey the modern idea of a state, whether it be a nanny monarchy or a psychotic dictatorship. Dicio seems to be that word in recent Latin rather than civitas from what I have seen. [[Specialis:Conlationes/|]] 10:30, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
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