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:Today, Latin writing people do not like using the term status in this sense, and rather translate state as res publica or as civitas according to the sense required. I think this is in large part out of a desire to avoid using non classical latin terms; in part out of the fact that using status as a synonym for state itself introduces new ambiguities, since then status rei publicae becomes non sensical. Rather than introduce an ambituity in status, modern latinists prefer the ambiguity in res publica or civitas. For example, the name "Status Civitatis Vaticanae" = "the Vatican Citizenship" or "Organization of the Vatican State", depending on which sense is taken.-[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 23:13, 17 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
::Cicero used ''status civitatis'' to mean something like 'condition of the state'. So ''Status Civitatis Vaticanae'' = 'Condition of the Vatican State'; thus the confusion that the newfangled use of ''status'' brings to the table. ¶ Also, we have a neat distinction from Classical times, as given in Cassell's: "civitates aut nationes, ''civilized states'' or ''barbarous tribes,'' Cic." It seems inconsistent to use ''civitas'' for 'state' but ''natio'' for something other than 'barbarous tribe'; that's why 'international' may be better rendered ''inter civitates'' than ''internationalis.'' [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 23:57, 17 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
:::Not at all. Observe that a political entity became a "barbarous tribe" (ahemm) merely by being outside the empire and that the only civitates not considered "barbarous" were within the empire. Given that the empire itself was a "state", Persia and all those other nationes with which the Roman Empire fought wars were the only other "states" (in the modern sense) out there!--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 12:47, 18 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
:::True ''status civitatis'' is not totally unambiguous. Here the ''status'' referred to is not of an individual person, but of 'the citizenship' as a whole.--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 00:09, 18 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
:In sum, I don't think there is a consensus amongst latinists about what should be done about this issue.--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 23:13, 17 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
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