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'''Gravitas'''{{dubsig}} ([[Anglice]]: ''[[:en:Relevance|relevance]]''; [[Theodisce]]: ''[[:de:Bedeutsamkeit|Relevanz]]'')
==Quaestiones==
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*What is relevance?
*What is relevance for the Latin Wikipaedia?
:Hard to answer without answering the first question. But I definitely think we can afford to be a little more lenient with what is relevant, due to the paucity of our contributors, ad the pauciority of our long, well written articles...--[[Usor:Ioshus Rocchio|Ioshus]] <small><sup>[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioshus Rocchio|(disp)]]</sup></small> 16:11, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
*Are there differences to other Wikipedias?
:Yes, some; I think partly because Latin is no one's mother tongue. It's a language of culture and communication. There may be topics about which no one has ever communicated in Latin: it is less likely that people will want to read an encyclopedia article in Latin about such topics.
::At first I kind of agreed with you. But I have been wondering if that is really the case... I've read PLENTY about history and culture, and a bit about mythology and religion in Latin. It gets boring... For me, it is much more fun to read/write articles like [[Pong cervisiale]] or [[Aeroplanum chartaceum]].--[[Usor:Ioshus Rocchio|Ioshus]] <small><sup>[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioshus Rocchio|(disp)]]</sup></small> 16:07, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:Vicipaedia (like so many of the other-language Wikipedias) can be, and is, ahead of the trend: we can deal with topics that have never yet had any printed material in Latin, and why not? But we probably waste our time if we take on too many topics that are very far distant from what people expect to read about in Latin.
::I don't if it's really '''wasting'' time. Providing lucid, legible, well informed content on modern topics is a great way to show that latin isn't dead...it just smells funny...--[[Usor:Ioshus Rocchio|Ioshus]] <small><sup>[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioshus Rocchio|(disp)]]</sup></small> 16:07, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:In addition, it's difficult to write about technical topics for which Latin has no vocabulary, and it's difficult to read and understand the result. The effort may sometimes be unproductive. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>'''[[:en:User Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|alby]]</font></font> 15:47, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::Good lord is this ever the case. The first thing I ever wrote here was [[E=mc²]] and it was hard as hell to find vocabulary for the laws of general relativity...--[[Usor:Ioshus Rocchio|Ioshus]] <small><sup>[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioshus Rocchio|(disp)]]</sup></small> 16:07, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:::I am sounding much more negative than I intended. [[E=mc²]] was a great contribution, and, what's more, it's so central to life, the universe and everything that Vicipaedia would look ridiculous without it! That ''was'' worth the effort; all major science belongs in Latin, of course it does. I was thinking of technical topics far lower down among the scale of what matters. There are some, among en:Wikipedia's 1,500,000, of which (I think) we are unlikely ever to have Latin equivalents. I'll give a couple of examples, then, from the "Latest changes" on Wikipedia: [[:en:Sheet metal gauges]]; [[:en:Nexus air card]].
:::I'm really just pondering on the issues posed here ... and meanwhile thinking of doing a couple of articles on comics (or ''bandes dessinées'', as my neighbours call them) ... <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>'''[[:en:User Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|alby]]</font></font> 16:50, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
Re: "There are some, among en:Wikipedia's 1,500,000, of which (I think) we are unlikely ever to have Latin equivalents. I'll give a couple of examples, then, from the "Latest changes" on Wikipedia: [[:en:Sheet metal gauges]]."—Well, 'gold leaf' in my 18th-century dictionary is ''aurum bracteatum, foliaceum,'' vel ''in folia extensum.'' So pick one and you've got, say ''metallum bracteatum,'' and the "gauges" are actually measures of thickness, so just copy the "Tabula Crassitudinum Metalli Bracteati" and you've got an article almost as complete as en:'s. Ha! [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 03:48, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:Is sheet metal really the same as gold leaf? ''Bractea'' is certainly traditional for leaf, though I am told that in antiquity it refered to a small thin sheet of precious metal. At the conventiculum it is frequently used for "foil." --[[Usor:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 07:48, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
==Core articles==
Any respectable big & general encyclopedia will have, say, 10,000 core articles. Probably more than 5,000 of Vicipaedia's current articles are outside an ideal core, but Vicipaedia is making progress, though many core articles remain mere stubs. In music, it has an article on J. S. Bach, but not one on Arnold Schoenberg; in painting, it has Michelangelo, but not Caravaggio, and it has Monet, but not Manet. For music, the list of composers is a start, but even that list is inflated with the names of composers who wouldn't appear on any knowledgeable specialist's "core list" of the 100 most influential composers. Such spottiness is almost a given for a wiki. For example, in Islamic affairs, we have an article on [[Abdul Rahman]], a symbolic nonentity, but nothing on [[Sayyid Qutb]], a highly influential scholar, and nothing on hundreds of Islamic personalities historically more influential than Rahman. Right now, we have many articles on German & Italian towns & cities, but few on East Asian & South Asian towns & cities. And so on. ¶ In addition, a Latin encyclopedia could excel in having articles about Latinists, deeds done by native Latin-speakers, and works & concepts originally produced in Latin or relating to Latin. In that regard, it lags behind the wikis in several other languages, but I think it will catch up as time goes on. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 16:25, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:Some interesting points there. I think other Wikipedias get a lot of place-name articles in using an automated method. Is that true? Should we do it? Would it be useful here? <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>'''[[:en:User Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|alby]]</font></font> 17:08, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::Small nitpick: we DO have an article on [[Michel Angelus Merisi ex Caravaggio|Caravaggio]]. As usual, I have a note on Latin names in the talk page that has gone unanswered ;) Not that any of this affects your point, but I just thought it should be mentioned. --[[Usor:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 18:33, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:::Then something may be wrong with the search facility. When I type "caravaggio" into the box and click on "Quaerere," no article specifically about him turns up; likewise when I click on "Ire," and the message is "Nulla pagina cum titulo "Caravaggio" exacto existit. Potes eam creare." [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 19:32, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, I'll fix the ''ire'' thing, but I don't know what we can do about the ''quaerere'' thing: wikipedia searches are always a bit faulty. Sometimes you just ahve to resort to Google. --[[Usor:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 19:47, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
==Page rank==
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rank = what rank the page will get if we made a list of all pages we want to have ever. See [[Vicipaedia:gravitas]].
Think of a list with 5 million entries, not 20 thousand entries. So it will be ok, when a page get's rank 300.000. This is a page you should find in an encyclopaedia with 1 million entries. A page with rank 2.000.000 someone might call "irrelevant". Now. ;-)
It is ok, when several pages get the same rank. It is not that bad, when 2000 pages get a rank below 1000. This is mathematically not correct and someone might adapt the rank later.
Please take it as a game and change the rank as you want ;-)
P.S.: I think we should have many pages with rank > 1.500.000.
{| border="border" class="sortable"
! Rank !! Title !! Comments
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| 1 || [[Pagina prima]] ||
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| 2 || [[Lingua Latina]] ||
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| 50 || [[Caesar]] ||
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| 5000 || [[Communismus]] ||
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| 5000 || [[Liberalismus]] ||
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| 15000 || [[Gmail]] ||
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| 137000 || [[Pong cervisiale]] || ;-)
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| || [[Saticula]] ||
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| || [[Ludovicus II]] ||
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==Disputationes==
*[[Disputatio:Christopher Benfey]]
*[[Disputatio:Mehmet Murat İldan]]
*[[Disputatio Vicipaediae:Gravitas]]
==Vide etiam==
*[[Vicipaedia:Pagina_desiderata#The_rank_game]]
*[[Vicipaedia:Deletio]]
*[[Vicipaedia:Praefatio]]
==Nexus externi==
*[[:m:Incrementalism|Incrementalism]] {{Ling|Anglice}}
*[[:m:Eventualism|Eventualism]] {{Ling|Anglice}}
*[[:en:Yongle Encyclopedia]]
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