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Take a look at [[:en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehmet Murat İldan]]. This article is now deleted from almost every wikipedia, due to the aggressive selfpromotion. [[:en:User:Orland]] / [[:no:Bruker:Orland]] (admin on no:) --[[Usor:80.232.34.55|80.232.34.55]] 19:39, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:After heaving read the discussion in the English Wikipedia, I personally do not see a reason to delete this article now. Nobody there has doubts about the correctness of the information. Great! People over there are just complaining - not arguing - about a lack of relevance and argue (!) that the article is or will be deleted from other Wikipedias. Just the supporters of the article provide facts. I'd like to have ''facts''. Who has the expertise to rate this author? Of course we should note, that the article needs better sources and more information. I like the idea that maybe [[Usor:Cicero]] translates the English article ([[Usor:Rolandus/temp/Mehmet Murat İldan]]) into Latin. This is not an important article, however, I do not see a reason to delete it. --[[Usor:Rolandus|Rolandus]] 20:21, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::There are some people around who don't like this guy. The English Wikipedia article was just deleted although deletion is still under discussion. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>''' ([[:en:UserDisputatio Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:UserUsoris:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|albydisputatio]]</font></font>) 20:25, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:The "supporters" are all sockpuppets. It is not the facts ''per se'', but the massive selfpromoting attack on the entire wp-community. In the english edition he has made articles on unpublished manuscripts. I urge, together with wp-friends from several editions, that the entire wp-community stands together in rejecting this. As they said [[:fr:Wikipédia:Pages à supprimer/Mehmet Murat İldan|in the french debate: ]] ''Supprimer! Pour le principe !'' The deletion in english was made by a unregistrated user, probably as a sign of resignation. <br>I have nothing to say against ''this guy'' (in my english discussion page, someone even suggested that my action is caused by hate to all turcs), but I strongly react to his attack on wp --[[:en:User:Orland|en:Orland]] / [[:no:Bruker:Orland|no:Orland]] --[[Usor:80.232.34.55|80.232.34.55]] 20:36, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::And some ''facts'': I am a literary critic, and have published one book on childrens literature, in norwegian. This single book gives more hits in google ([http://www.google.no/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLF,GGLF:1970-01,GGLF:no&q=%22barnas+forfatterleksikon%22]) than his name [http://www.google.no/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLF,GGLF:1970-01,GGLF:no&q=%22Mehmet+Murat+%c4%b0ldan%22]; and the odds are even worse if you remove the wikipedia hits [http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&rls=GGLF%2CGGLF%3A1970-01%2CGGLF%3Ano&q=%22Mehmet+Murat+%C4%B0ldan%22+-wikipedia&meta=]. (And of course, this comparision is not completely fair, as www is more common in norway than in turkey, but still) --[[:en:User:Orland|en:Orland]] / [[:no:Bruker:Orland|no:Orland]] --[[Usor:80.232.34.55|80.232.34.55]] 20:36, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:::Would someone "in the know" offer an explanation of the politics driving these deletions? Vicipaedia's text appears to be factual, and that's a prime consideration, non? Vicipaedia's text does not seem to contain aggressive self-promotion. If any links do, they can easily be cut. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 20:44, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::Orland, I understand your and your friend's reasons, but I do not vehemently support them. Relevance does not have the highest priority for me, see [[Vicipaedia:Gravitas]]. Accuracy and traceability have a high priority for me. So I deposed my doubts more than 2 months ago (see above) and - frankly speaking - I am not yet satisfied. We are not undemanding here, but we might have a slightly different value system. --[[Usor:Rolandus|Rolandus]] 21:19, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
::::I've looked around a bit more now. Yes, it was self-promotion. I think I should take Ildan's correspondence course. [[:no:Bruker:Orland|no:Orland]] was surely right to urge the speedy deletion of the English Wikipedia articles about all Ildan's individual books. However, I feel differently about the brief bio articles on all those language Wikipedias (incidentally, it's not true that they are "now deleted from almost every wikipedia" -- though deletion has been proposed on most of them). Ildan is a published and versatile writer with numerous books in Turkish to his credit. The way to balance the coverage of Turkish literature on this and other Wikipedias is to add articles about others, not to delete him. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>''' ([[:en:UserDisputatio Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:UserUsoris:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|albydisputatio]]</font></font>) 21:24, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:::::You may want to say exactly this in the deletion debate over at en:. I can't say I feel strongly about the larger issue one way or another, but inasmuch as he is a published author, and the article is factually correct, it seems that so long as the Latin is good, we shoudl keep it on la: at least. --[[Usor:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 09:28, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
 
 
==Birthplace==
Having checked his birthplace in the Turkish and Kurdish Wikipedias, I've corrected it here. He's a Turk, born in Turkish Kurdistan. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>''' ([[:en:UserDisputatio Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:UserUsoris:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|albydisputatio]]</font></font>) 21:07, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
:I see the Kurdish article has now gone. That's a surprise, since this author is a native of Kurdistan and it was quite a substantial article. If it carries on like this, Vicipaedia will soon be the definitive source on Ildan. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|A]]<font color="green">[[:en:User:Andrew Dalby|nd]]</font>''' ([[:en:UserDisputatio Talk:Andrew Dalby|rew D]]'''<font color="green">[[:en:UserUsoris:Andrew Dalby/Bibliography|albydisputatio]]</font></font>) 10:08, 3 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
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