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# Yes, it's nice if our Latin name agrees with an internationally used abbreviation, but we can't expect it to happen very often, because the majority of abbreviations are based on English, and English and Latin word order don't usually agree

::Sometimes (as perhaps here), an acronym is the standard form. I've heard the university known as Em-Eye-Tee called just that ''many hundreds'' of times (including on one occasion that I particularly recall in Trinidad & Tobago), but probably ''never'' called "Massachusetts Institute of Technology." [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 19:11, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

 

:History: I (re)coined the name in ignorance of the present article while editing [[Makemake (planetulus)]] and then came here to make the names consistent. ¶ Yes, it seems, Neo-Latin names (perhaps with emphasis on the ''Neo-'') may tend to put the noun first. The examples of universities may not be entirely pertinent, since most of them have vernacular names of the structure "University of X," not with modifiers to the left of the noun, but then there's [[Compluti Urbis Universitas]], plus a nontrivial number that have or had a structure with a Latin form of 'royal' to the left, as in [[Regia universitas bononiensis]], [[Regia Universitas Hafniensis]], [[Regia Universitas Hungarica Francisco-Josephina]] (also [[Regia Scientiarum Universitas Hungarica Claudiopolitana Francisco-Josephina]]), [[Regia Universitas Pestana]], [[Regia Universitas Tyrnaviensis]], [[Regia Universitas Upsaliensis]], and with a double adjective, [[Caesarea Regia Universitas Patavina]]. And of course we have the [[Pontificia et Regalis Universitas Sancti Thomae Aquantis Manilana]] and the [[Pontificium Institutum Biblicum]] [[Roma]]e. However, even for universities, a quick search turns up structures like that of ''Internationalis Astronomiae Unio'' (often with a placename adjective after the word ''universitas''), e.g. [[Regia Scientiarum Universitas Pestana]] [http://www.openlibrary.org/books/OL2127259M/Dissertatio_de_acupunctura hic], [[Regia Scientiarum Universitas Hungarica]] [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scientiarum-Universitas-Hungarica-Petrovich-persolveret/dp/B0016VLUA6 hic] et [http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/v_filterarchivelist.asp?start=12761 hic], et [[regia scientiarum universitas hungarica debreceniensis de stephano tisza nominata]] [http://community.livejournal.com/urbanitas/12459.html hic], et etiam (with a genitive for the placename) [[Regia Scientiarum Universitas Hungariæ]] [http://library.hartwick.edu/search~S0?/aReggio,+Godfrey/areggio+godfrey/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CE/2browse hic]. Likewise with ''academia'' : [[Regia Scientiarum Academia]] [[Lutetia|Parisiis]] [http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~euler/pages/E004.html hic], [[Regia Scientiarum Academia Borussica]], [[Regia Scientiarum Academia Svecica]], [[Regia Scientiarum Academia]] [[Zagrabia]]e, and other examples, easily found via Google. ¶ The structure "[adjective] [noun genitive] [noun nominative]," according to Bradley's Arnold, is the classical order, so which form of names to use may depend on how "classical" one wants to be. In any case, the classical order happens to keep the acronym unchanged, and that's a plus in this case. ¶ As for "our usual preference" for adjectives over genitive nouns, how can it be "usual" when probably an overwhelming majority of pertinent phrases, as in maybe thousands of categories, take the form "[noun nominative] [noun genitive]," rather than "[noun nominative] [adjective]"? For example, not [[:Categoria:Arbores Mexicanae]] (a structure I originally tended to use), but [[:Categoria:Arbores Mexici]]. ¶ Incidentally, as one just now notices, clicking on the footnote in the present article generates a file-not-found error-message. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 12:29, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

::I well know from earlier citations what Bradley's Arnold says. But Bradley's Arnold isn't a grammar of how to construct institutional names.

::I don't see how the structure of our geographical category names is pertinent to this.

:::No doubt. ;) [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 14:19, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

:::: Iacobe, given your "solitus ordo" argument, it'd be fair to concentrate on the place of ''internationalis'' in institutional names. According to my gut feeling, the pattern à la ''Societas internationalis X-ica'' or ''Societas X-ica internationalis'' prevails over ''Internationalis X-iae societas''. Methinks, there must be a very important reason for bettering that which is good. [[Usor:Neander|Neander]] 15:38, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

:Ta-daa! I found one [http://www.interrete.de/latein/nuntiifinarch5.html here] (though not from the "unio" itself), so anybody may feel free to add that as a footnote to the resurrected original lemma. :) [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 19:22, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

::Hmm. Note, however, that site's nonclassicism in saying ''In certamine finali cantionum Eurovisionis'' instead of ''In ultimo cantionum Eurovisionis certamine'' (not to mention its Germanic punctuation). :/ [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 19:26, 15 Februarii 2011 (UTC)