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==Guglium==
Regarding your [http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guglium&diff=next&oldid=1049409 edit at guglium], there is no reason why such latinisation should exist, and we cannot simply make up latinisations: [[VP:NF]]. Secondly, why did you remove the {{fn|non stipula}} if you did not add neither categories nor iw links?--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 10:12, 1 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
:OK. Let me explain. First, I've never learned how categories and interwiki work; sorry. I guess I'll try to do it if I create or expand any pages in the future.
:Second, we do make up latinisations, like [[Gurges ater]] and many other astronomical pages. True, those are translations of English phrases, but is latinising a made-up English word any different? Both for [[Gurges ater]] and [[guglium]], we are discussing something that's never been used in Latin before.
:Third, I don't care if you delete the page, really. It just seems strange that we can have [[Google]] but not the word that inspired it. It's true that ''googol'' isn't normally used seriously in any language, but one can see by the interwikis how many other languages have similarly adopted it.
:Finally, I only came here because of my Euler thing. I don't really read Latin yet, so maybe I don't belong. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 17:43, 1 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
::On your second issue, translating into Latin is not the same as latinising a word which has no translation. On your final two, you are most welcome to stay, but I would have reckoned that someone who can make such a large edit in a page would know about how wikipedia works.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 21:52, 1 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
==[[Disputatio Usoris:189.192.96.194]]==
That was over the top. There's no need to be rude at anonymous users, when simple warning could be enough. If that don't work, there are several other ways to do things.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 23:07, 2 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
==De Taxo==
Usor Bking2280 male delevit formulas quas Iacobus noster addidit. De deletione paginae scripsi apud disputationis ipsae.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 21:27, 6 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
:Video. Solutio hac rerum inueni, suppono. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 01:03, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
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I reverted your move to '''Valentia (urbs)''': I think it needs discussion, as I explained at [[Disputatio:Valentia]].
 
Thanks anyway for starting the discretiva page. Whenever adding a discretiva page (e.g. [[xxxx]]), please add the formula <nowiki>{{Videdis|xxxx}}</nowiki> to existing pages on which it is relevant. Thanks. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 13:01, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
==Chemia==
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I just noticed your query above about this. As regards placing it on a page, I don't see why you shouldn't put it on a new page in your userspace, [[Usor:Pantocrator/Index in Eulerum]] (or some such name).
 
As to the format, wiki does not respond as expected to leading spaces on a line. There may be various ways round this, but one way would be to use a word-processor to replace those leading spaces with : :: etc. and then re-load the material to a new page as suggested. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 12:59, 19 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
== Thanks ==
Thanks for catching my error with [[Themisto (satelles)|Themisto]]. I needed to glance at the original version of the page, but then I stupidly edited and saved it. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 19:50, 18 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
== [[Morehu]] ==
You may be right, but this is a seriously good contributor so I have started a disputatio rather than delete offhand.
 
I didn't say this on that page, but the argument "doesn't exist on English" often doesn't persuade. Just like the other language wikis, we have many articles that don't have equivalents on en:wiki. There are currently 758 at [[:Categoria:Nexus usque adhuc absunt]], and there are still hundreds of others which we share with other wikipedias but don't happen to be on en:wiki. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 13:54, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
:Well, if I knew it was an established editor, I too would have been more cautious: I just saw it was an IP. While "doesn't exist on English" is not itself a reason to delete, the fact that en:wiki covers such a wide range means that a page not existing there and not obviously of merit is likely to be (in my opinion) a vanity page at best. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 14:02, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
::It's not even a stub, so it may disappear (semiautomatically) in a few days anyway. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 13:17, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== Formatting at [[Bonaparte (familia)]] ==
UV is the most knowledgeable and helpful editor we have as regards wikiformatting and the interface generally, so, if you disagree with him over some change, it would be as well to discuss it with him, not simply revert. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 13:31, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed, but this change was of so little consequence it was not worth it. His edit produced no visible changes other than to make the indentation of one name incorrect. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 14:30, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
::Perhaps what Andrew means is that while it wasn't worth it to ''you'' to discuss it, it obviously was worth it to UV to make the changes. Given that he is "the most knowledgeable and helpful editor we have as regards wikiformatting and the interface generally", perhaps he had a good reason that just didn't occur to you? I for instance would assume that UV has a good reason for everything he does, because he doesn't do anything without a good reason. --[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]]<sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 14:43, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
 
== Re:Warning ==
You've deleted the warning placed here by a magistratus, but you did not even gave a reply. I'ts too late to check if that even is allowed or not, so I'll just say it. In the comment you added on the Taberna you avoided that very point too. Simply saying that you have read it (and then deleting the whole warning) does not mean that you will at least consider what it has been said to you. Please, consider what we warned you about.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 01:55, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:And [http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tractatus_theologico-politicus&diff=prev&oldid=1081189 if you really think that the Yogyakarta Principles do not belong here or that they are crap], well, I take that as a personal offence indeed. If you really think that, then certainly I do not want to belong to a project in which people of your sort can be found.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 02:00, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with them being here, but not in that article. I admit my comment was a bit strong, but she does seem to be a 'single-purpose account'. I'm also not sure why you'd consider it a 'personal offence'; I try hard to comment on content, not on the person. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 02:08, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::I don't mean to avoid the point of civility, I just don't know what more to say on it. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 02:06, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::Largely because of the nature of the rights declared in those Principles, being gay myself, I think they are more than necessary. On LilyKitty, there is no problem with single-purposes accounts. Our wiki is rather small, and all contributions are welcome. Nuada seems only to write about Italian villages, and I do not see how that could be possibly bad for our wiki. Maybe her Latin is not perfect, but not too many people around here can say theirs is.
:::On civility, a simple reply, two or three lines saying actually that you read it and that you understand the importance of it, is enough for me, and it would show your good will towards the project. --[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 09:55, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::As Xavierus implies, there's nothing wrong, and everything right, with having an article solely dedicated to such a topic; attempts to promote human rights are generally a good idea, but even attempts to do the opposite must be recognized by a reference work whose domain is all of reality (so notions of crappiness are irrelevant here); and people are free to write about whatever they want. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 13:10, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::::I have to add a comment about the edit summary linked above. I hadn't seen it before and I, too, consider it highly offensive. Your beliefs about what is "crap" you must either keep to yourself or argue in other, politer, terms. We need to know that you recognise the need for civility. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 13:25, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::::For the record: I don't see how good-faith efforts made in opposition to "Extra-judicial killing, torture and ill-treatment, sexual assault and rape, invasion of privacy, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, [and] denial of employment and education opportunities" (from [[:en:The Yogyakarta Principles on the Application of International Human Rights Law in relation to Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity|The Yogyakarta Principles]]) can be "crap." However, there's no obvious reason that someone reading an article on Spinoza's book should be invited to read about the [[Yogyakartae Principia]]. Maybe LilyKitty could explain the proposed connection? [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 13:51, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe, Iacobe; and maybe that's what Pantocrator meant to say. But he didn't actually say it; instead, he said something offensive. Let's keep to the point. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 14:07, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
==De obscaenitate==
Dear Pantocrator,
Before your move is undone - Why did you move [[Latina obscaena]]? The page and all its iw links refer percisely to Latin swear-words, not general obscenities. There is a need, I reckon, to keep the old name, because [[obscaenum]] ("the obscene") does not really show what the article is about. The very same article specifies that it is a list of Latin obscenities. Further more, "obscaenum" is an adjective - the noun referring to the quality of obscene woulb be [[obscaenitas]], which you have turned into a redirect. --[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 15:49, 16 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:Plus you happen to have mis-spelt it; it should be obscaenum, not obscenum.--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 15:50, 16 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::Note that the interwikis on the page are to pages on obscene latin not to pages on obscenity per se.Bad move IMHO--[[Usor:Rafaelgarcia|Rafaelgarcia]] 23:49, 16 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, the article is about "obscene Latin words," not about "obscenity." [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 02:24, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, alright; the article is confined to Latin profanity. Nonetheless we should eventually have an article on obscenity in general. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 12:17, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, definitely. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 12:47, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::::Agreed all round! But before we move it back, is "Latina obscena" ideal? The meaning and grammar seem unclear until one reads the lemma "(sc. verba)". We want a real noun in that title, surely. Would "Latinitas obscena" or "Verba Latina obscena" be better? <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 12:57, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::::::[[Verba Latina obscena]] sounds better to me. [[Obscenitates in lingua Latina]] may not be good enough. --[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 13:07, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::::::The title of J. N. Adams's famous book, ''The Latin Sexual Vocabulary,'' might be relevant, though sex doesn't cover all concepts usually considered "obscene." [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 13:24, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::No, ''obscenum'' is the correct spelling, or at least a correct spelling. OLD and L&S make their lemmata ''obscen-''. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 12:17, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::Likewise Cassell's—which, for unprefixed forms, prefers ''scaen-.'' Go figure. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 12:47, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::I see - obscaenum may well be too theatrical, off-the-scene--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 13:07, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::::What unprefixed forms? The derivation of ''obscenus'' is not known. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 22:37, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason for the wavering spelling. Some thought the word was connected with ''caenum''; others didn't. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 10:02, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
==De igne==
On the same line as before, are you sure that links to the other three elements are not needed in [[ignis]]?--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 15:52, 16 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:I put them into a new article. There's no reason people reading about 'fire' need to know about an obsolete scientific theory. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 12:18, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::Immo potius, there's ''every'' reason for a reference work to provide such information to them, but the deletion challenged here may be OK because the text of the article already has a link to [[Elementa alchemica]], so no extra nudging via "Vide etiam" may be needed. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 12:55, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree. Links under vide etiam ought (I think) to be kept to a minimum, and their relevance fairly obvious. That wasn't the case here. In a fully-written page [[Ignis]] one might well include the links in the text of a paragraph about the place of fire among the alchemical elements: that way, their relevance would be explained. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 13:05, 17 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== whitaker's ==
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Pantocrator, I blocked you ''and'' the anonym for a couple of hours. Sorry, but you both contributed to the crossing of the impoliteness threshold.
 
Think hard before replacing existing text. Your Latin study hasn't yet enabled you to write a grammatical sentence. When it's something new, well, OK: you're not the only Wikipedian who can't write the target language. But when you're replacing something that's weak-but-grammatical with something that isn't, you're likely to be wasting time (yours and others'). <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 22:00, 20 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== block ==
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--[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 00:44, 21 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:How did you guess? Or perhaps you read my note on Xaverius's talk page? It's true, anyway: paper on King Solomon's luxuries to be presented (in French) next Saturday. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 10:25, 21 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== Latin praenomen, vernacular nomen! ==
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== Dostoevsky and his friends ==
Among all your moves today, this one might come back to bite you. There has been discussion about how to render Russian (Cyrillic alphabet) names into Latin, but I'm not sure whether a consensus was attained. In that context, -ij is not impossible. Wait and see ... <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 11:44, 21 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== moving a user ==
 
Please do not do [http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:82.36.89.155&diff=prev&oldid=1113897 this] again. I understand this guy was being a jerk to you, but just wait till morning for an administrator and he will be blocked in due time.--[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 06:55, 23 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:You can additionally use the template {{fn|IP vandalica}} to mark the user talk page of a user who clearly needs blocking (I guess this doesn't really apply exactly to someone who is being rude, but it does apply to the user you spotted last night). To make sure it's noticed, add this template on the user talk page and write "Vandal" or something similar in the ''summarium''. The next admin who comes along will then react. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 10:00, 24 Martii 2010 (UTC)
 
== I and II ==
It's worth remembering that there are two Latin words for "second", ''secundus'' and ''alter''. ''Alter'' means the second of a total of two. So some optimists will argue that the Second World War was Bellum Orbis Terrarum Alterum. Maybe you're a pessimist ... :) <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 10:09, 24 Martii 2010 (UTC)
:Well of course I hope there's not another, but it is an open-ended series, not a pair. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 23:39, 24 Martii 2010 (UTC)
::That's what Andrew is saying. Right now it's a pair. Hopefully it will always be.--[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 06:58, 25 Martii 2010 (UTC)
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== Categoria:Delenda ==
I'm not sure what you intended here. Redirections in category space aren't really allowed for in the architecture. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 21:14, 3 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I just wanted to create an alternate name. I guess that doesn't work. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 21:54, 3 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing [[Lobia massonica]] back to life. "Conventiculum" sounds good to me. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 21:24, 3 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:No, I don't want to change the name. Every other language uses a cognate to 'lodge', which in Latin is ''lobia''. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 21:54, 3 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
 
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==Biting vandals==
Dear Pantocrator. I've just noticed this: http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialis:Paginam_restituere&target=Disputatio_Usoris%3AHomer.erat.hic
If you want to flag a vandal, there are many ways to do so: as you did before posting it in the taberna, or you can use the {{fn|IP vandalica}} template. However, you should never be rude at them, even if they are vandalising. Going down to their level does not make you better, and if vandals are to be punished, it is a magistratus who should do it, not you. We've told you before about being polite, and that includes all users of the wiki (even vandals).--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 14:42, 7 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:Besides, the vocative of cinaedus is cinaede (nor is the rest of your insult grammatical). He's right though, you were blocked for that before, and it's probably a good thing Xavi is such a nice guy that it didn't happen again. --[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 17:22, 7 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::And cleverer the poniard than the bludgeon, as with Housman's insults; e.g.:
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Something that ocurred to me when I looked at the Alistairs. In this case, you were moving directly from a real name to a Vicipaedia name. Our pages should, somewhere, mention the subject's real name: if we don't do that we are failing in one of the obvious tasks of an encyclopedia. I know we have some pages that don't do this, but they are worse pages because of it.
 
So, when you make a move of that kind and adjust the first sentence of the article, instead of just changing the lemma from '''Alistair Darling''' to '''Alexander Darling''', it would be better to continue to include the real name. Some do it by saying "'''Alexander''' (vulgo ''Alistair'') '''Darling'''"; some prefer "'''Alexander Darling''' (vulgo ''Alistair Darling'')"; there are other variants too. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 11:32, 8 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:Alright, I tried to do that at the start and must have just forgotten. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 18:17, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
 
== Marking moves as minor ==
Have a look at the comment at [[Henricus Sneevliet]]. I notice you marked the move as "minor". This isn't a good idea, because it means that people interested in the page are less likely to notice the change. You want them to notice, because, if there is going to be discussion, it should be sorted out early. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 12:35, 8 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:That must have been a mistake; I don't mark moves minor. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 18:17, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::Fine, of course. An easy mistake to make. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 19:45, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
 
== Commenting on others' work ==
I deleted part of your note to Nuada: I took it as schoolkid humour, which doesn't translate. Your note to Lionharde takes a big risk, considering you haven't yet shown you can write grammatical Latin. Yet your note to [[Disputatio Usoris:93.150.89.221|93.150.89.221]] yesterday was polite and appropriate. Follow ''that'' pattern! <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 07:59, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:I believe that nonetheless my specific criticisms of Lionhard's Latin were correct, weren't they? Admittedly I'm not absolutely sure about ''formare'', but his use looked awful and as obvious Anglicism. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 18:17, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, but it's a bit childish and laughable to remind someone else to attende grammaticam when you can't write a sentence, yeah? The arrogance is the problem. --[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 07:17, 15 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
 
==Grammar==
Dear Pantocrator. As you once reminded in a [[Disputatio Usoris:189.192.96.194|very unfriendly manner to an anonymous user]], I would like you to remind you that you could remember that glaciarium is neutre, thus its plural is ''-a'', and the same applies to the adjective that may be with it (v.g. ''continentalis'' m.sg. >> ''continentale'' n.sg. >> ''continentalia'' n.pl.). Likewise, ''de'' is a preposition whith indicates topic ("about"), not possesion or belonging. For that purpuse, use the [[genetivus|genitive]]. Cf. [http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Periodus_glacialis_proximus&diff=prev&oldid=1134240 here]. --[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 19:00, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:If you'd understood what I was saying, you would know the genitive is nonsense there. I meant 'came down to', 'came of' means nothing. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 19:07, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::It could make sense: "the glaciers ''of'' New York, England and Germany arrived".--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 19:11, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:::That's approximately the only grammatical reading: ''Glaciaria continentalia Novi Eboraci, Angliae, et Germaniae veniebant'' = 'The continental glaciaries of New York, England, and Germany were coming'. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 19:23, 10 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::'de' in that case is nonsense too, as it means the opposite of "down to": it means down '''from''', so failure to understand what you were saying would be understandable. —[[Usor:Mycēs|Mucius Tever]] 02:47, 11 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
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That other issue having been put aside for now—for your reference, the discussion on institutional names that we misplaced is at the subpage of VP:TNP talk [[Disputatio Vicipaediae:De nominibus propriis/en]]. Vale. —[[Usor:Mycēs|Mucius Tever]] 04:26, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
:And yet you came to no conclusion there, apparently. I notice a trend: you will not put down your standards in writings. It would deny your ability to beat up on people like me. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 10:19, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
::Pantocrator, what's the need for that? It was completely unnecessary to say it! You are shown the place where you can continue the discussion you so much like, and then yet you come with ''you will not put down your standards in writings. It would deny your ability to beat up on people like me''??--[[User:Xaverius|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Xave</span>]][[:laeu:usorLankide:Xaverius|Xave]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">ri</span>]][[:eu:LankideLankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|ri]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">[[:eu:Lankide_eztabaida:Xaverius|us]]</fontspan>]] 10:35, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
:::Better, I think, ''not'' to continue. Stop trying to win arguments, PC! <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 12:15, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
::::Seriously. Myces is one of the smartest people I've read online, and has always been gracious with any question I've ever had. If it seems like he's beating up on you, maybe you should check your own actions.--[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 14:30, 2 Maii 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Block ==
I blocked you for one day, for deleting the text of [[Particula elementaria]] without explanation. Feel free to explain now. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 08:33, 13 Maii 2010 (UTC)
:It's certainly not appropriate to block any regular contributor for a good-faith edit. The obvious reason in that case was that the page had almost no information and a reader would be better served by a redirect to the physica page. Now it has been improved. If you are interested in a usable encyclopedia, then that's a good thing that I accomplished. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 03:38, 15 Maii 2010 (UTC)
::I just started [[Monasterium Pantocratoris (Constantinopolis)|Monasterium Pantocratoris]]. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 08:44, 15 Maii 2010 (UTC)
:::It seems you're trying to poke fun at my username. Admittedly I should have chosen a better one. Nonetheless my claim stands. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 05:27, 16 Maii 2010 (UTC)
::::What, your claim to be ruler of all things? I dispute it :) <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 08:50, 16 Maii 2010 (UTC)
Completely unrelated, but flaming and trolling of this sort [http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Disputatio%3ASpectrum&action=historysubmit&diff=1177011&oldid=1176762] will see you a longer block in the future. Collective patience for your uncooperative attitude and tone has worn threadbare. --[[Usor:Ioscius|Ioscius]] <sup>'''[[Disputatio Usoris:Ioscius|∞]]'''</sup> 11:36, 13 Maii 2010 (UTC)
:The point was that articles should be edited (except for correction of typos etc.) by people with some knowledge of the subject matter and how the article is dealing with it. My comment was not directly personally at Andrew Dalby. [[Usor:Pantocrator|Pantocrator]] 05:27, 16 Maii 2010 (UTC)
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== Amygdala ==
Hi, Pantocrator. I'm sure you were right to put something at "Amygdala"; I changed it from a redirect to a discretiva after looking at the incoming links. All of them (I think: nearly all, anyway) are for the fruit/nut, not for the anatomical feature. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 09:06, 1 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
 
== [[Lingua Cazachica]] ==
I just noticed, when you moved the page, you also changed the spelling of the category name. I suspect it was just a slip, and I don't really need to say this, but please avoid doing that -- however much the category name needs changing -- because, until it's been changed, the page is effectively lost to those who use categories to find pages. Instead, please point out the need for change on a disputatio page. Thanks, Pantocrator! <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]]<font color="green">([[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalbydisputatio]]</font></font>) 23:23, 13 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
 
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