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:::This is discussed in Woodcock, ''A New Latin Syntax'' section 155 and 230(3): a descriptive, generic qui-clause. My understanding, after reading Woodcock, is that the subjunctive is classical in this context, not the indicative (though I feel guiltily sure that I have often, Biblically, used the indicative). The Vulgate wouldn't be a good guide to classical usage, I think, (a) because it is late, (b) because it often literally translates the Greek text.
:::Your link is to the proverb "qui bene amat bene castigat". There is a logical difference between this and the example we're discussing here. To Woodcock (section 230(2) if that's any use) the proverb is a generalizing qui-clause, and the use of the indicative is indeed classical. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew]]<font color="green">[[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalby]]</font></font> 08:16, 26 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, the "descriptive, generic qui-clause" may afford an apter angle, the original being understood as 'The sort of person who devises new tools, methods, and other things is called. . . .' The example in Cassell's is that ''qui'' takes the subjunctive when it serves "to express a general description, parallel to an adj.: mihi carus et illum qui pulchre nosset, Hor." Perhaps a pertinent section in Bradley's Arnold is #503: "Especially common are consecutive ''qui''-clauses which define a ''quality'' of the antecedent. [But is there a real antecedent in the sentence at hand?] ''Is est qui haec dicat.'' He is the sort of man to say this." But maybe not, though one returns to the tentativeness of the clause: since not every person who 'devises new tools, methods, and other things' is 'called a scientist' &c., the ''qui''-clause here isn't a factually true statement, and contrafactual expressions often invite the subjunctive. Is this clause perhaps a cousin of ''sunt qui'' constructions? All sources checked here agree that existential ''qui''-clauses with indefinite references (''Sunt qui, Erant qui,'' &c.) require the subjunctive. [[Usor:IacobusAmor|IacobusAmor]] 11:02, 26 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
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