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:So, however right you may be in your own mind or in the abstract, you haven't considered your audience and its priorities. Avitus made the same mistake. You might persuade almost any other community and almost any other website to follow your ideas. If you persuade enough of them, you will have changed the consensus, and it's likely that Vicipaedia would go with the consensus. It's very flattering to us that you and Avitus have both thought it worth your time to try to persuade us first: it demonstrates how important Vicipaedia may one day be. But your strategy is mistaken. This is not the place to start: this will be the place to finish, when you have changed the consensus elsewhere.
:That's it from me. Farewell, and come back as soon as you want to write some Latin. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew]]<font color="green">[[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalby]]</font></font> 07:57, 13 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)
::The anon's arguments as well as Avitus' about spelling reform are not convincing, for several reasons: (1) the orthography I see here is the pretty much the same as I see in the Clementine vulgate bible which predates the formation of italian state and certain italian spelling reforms. (2) certain alternative recent orthographies are criticized as *throwback orthographies* ignoring centuries of latin orthographic innovation (i.e. that one developed and used by renaissance humanists) but this reason is juxtaposed with the contradictory claim that using apices ' to mark long vowels is better because the *Ancient Romans* used this method (instead of ^ and ` which used by modern renaissance humanists). (3) the proposed rationale of distinguishing the use of u/i for vowel and v/j for consonant does not have a clear advantage since the u still has consonantal value in words such as quis and fuit and i has consonantal value after the l in filii and after h in hiems. All that this method has to recommend it is that the Vatican latinists pronounce the v as distinct from u consonant, but this fact is ignored by Avitus in his arguments. (4) No advantage of using ligatures is ever given except that he likes them and they've been used before. (5) No reasons for abandoning other modern spelling innovations is given (like using Quum for temporal cum, etc..) although the logic of his criticism of recent spelling simplifications requires that such medieval orthographic innovations be kept. In sum, Avitus argues for a new orthographic system, based on ancient and modern latin orthographies and what he personally thinks is in good taste and in keeping with his personal estimate of how latin should be spoken; however he is unable to logically demonstrate that other systems are inferior to his own without equivocation. --[[Specialis:Conlationes/123.192.64.184|123.192.64.184]] 13:07, 13 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)
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