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::You were right, of course, that "pomegranate" and "granite" have a cognate origin: they both "consist of grains". You're also right that neo-Latin ''granites'' seems to be an analogical form, derived from the name in modern languages and converting to the typical -ites termination unhistorically: that's how I read the evidence, anyway. But, finally, you're ''also'' right that since it exists, we had probably better use it ... even if the CIL is right in its translation of "lapis granatus". I don't know enough geology to comment on that, but it seems unwise anyway to choose "lapis granatus" in the sense "granite" if it is better known in the sense "garnet". <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew]]<font color="green">[[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalby]]</font></font> 09:02, 1 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm, the etymon of 'granite' couldn't possibly correspond to the Latin 'granatum' — that'd be a third- or fourth-conjugation verb having a participle of the first conjugation. Littré gives the etymology of the French cognate ''granit'' through bas-latin ''granitum'' (which does get [http://books.google.com/books?q=granitum+&btnG=Search+Books some ghits]). —[[Usor:Mycēs|Mucius Tever]] 03:11, 2 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
::::My source was the ''Oxford dictionary of English etymology'', which is staid but (nearly always) reliable. It takes granite back to Italian granito; it doesn't mention the late-Latin (whether because the compiler thought the Latin to be borrowed from the Italian, or for some other reason, I don't know). It also specifically says that both words (granite and pomegranate) are cognate historically with English ''grain''. My assumption, given this information, was that the Italian ''granito'' was formed without sufficient reference to classical conjugations! But there may well be some other explanation inaccessible to me. <font face="Gill Sans">[[Usor:Andrew Dalby|Andrew]]<font color="green">[[Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby| Dalby]]</font></font> 09:18, 2 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://books.google.nl/books?ei=nKq1S-mAPYvJ-Qa9-Jz9Ag&ct=result&q=%22marmor+granitum%22+OR+%22granitum+marmor%22&lr=&sa=N&start=10 Several sources] mention a mediaeval Latin expression "marmor granitum", sometimes abbreviated to simple "granitum", which would be at the root of Italian "granito" and hence of English "granite". Sticking close to Pantocrator's original suggestion, we might call the article [[Granitum (lapis)]], with a redirect at [[Lapis granites]]. [[Granatum (lapis)]] should then be converted into an article about the [[:en:Garnet|garnet]]. --[[Usor:Fabullus|Fabullus]] 08:56, 2 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
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