Disputatio Vicipaediae:Propaganda

Macte!

Andrew, this article is an excellent concept! (But where are the Nebraskan Eskimos?) IacobusAmor 17:51, 13 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Haven't I asked other users to add to the list??

Incidentally, now that I've had a good go at dear Vice Bune, do you fancy clearing him out of one or two articles on the Pacific Islands? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:42, 13 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, but time is always a problem these days! IacobusAmor 21:28, 13 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Don't I know it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:58, 13 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Samuel Yerushalmi

Yerushalmi Shmuel est an Israelica protestor poeta quod politicus strenuus. Is eram prognatus ab 1972 ab urbs Bila Tserkva ab Ukraina , quod ago ab Israel utpote 1988

• 'Y. S. is or a female Israeli witness for, a poet which a political a nimble. He I was being a descendant from 1972 from. The city B. T. from Ukraine, which I'm leading from Israel inasmuch as 1988'. IacobusAmor 16:16, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Victus ab Negev urbs Beer Shaeva.

This appears to mean: 'Conquered by the Negev, the city Beer Shaeva' (except that 'conquered' is masculine, and 'Beer Shaeva' looks feminine, so the thing that's conquered may not be Beer Shaeva). That's probably not what you're trying to say. Please—in any of the well-known European languages (or in Samoan)—let people know what you're trying to say, and somebody will step forward to help you say it. Otherwise, this text is meaningless, as you don't seem to know anything about Latin grammar (e.g., the elements of gender, declension, conjugation), and the resulting text is a farrago of impossibilities. People will help, but they first need to know what the intended meaning is. IacobusAmor 17:44, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't really make sense of it, it hurts my head a little. I mean, sure, I can go around changing all the verbs to 3rd person, but I don't know if I'll actually be helping the meaning beyond that.--Ioscius ^(disp) 17:46, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

It could also mean 'Sustenance from the Negev, the city Beer Shaeva', but that doesn't make sense either. Third person isn't going to help much. Verbal puzzles can be fun, but there are limits to one's ability to intuit novices' intentions! Sometimes you just have to declare something non Latina and move on. IacobusAmor 17:50, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

This article is being spread rapidly across many Wikipedias. The Poles have decided that it contains "spamlinks" (I think). We have had other such cases, and we have tended to keep the articles even when others delete them. We will need to know what it means, though. Curiously there doesn't seem to be a Hebrew article, though apparently Yerushalmi writes in Hebrew.

The anonymous part-author doesn't seem to like being helped -- (s)he keeps removing language templates, and after it happened three times I blocked the address for a day. The non-anonymous initial author disappeared after I left a message on the disputatio page.

By the way, should the forename be Samuel? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:28, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Surely.--Ioscius ^(disp) 20:33, 18 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Another Shmuel Yerushalmi

An anonymous editor from varying IP addresses keeps trying to delete the article and replace it with one about a different Shmuel Yerushalmi. In case this editor reads talk pages, here's a response.

1. The encyclopedia pages on this site are in Latin, not English. And we cannot copy them directly from news sources or from any other sites: they have to be written afresh.
2. It often happens that two people have the same name, and we can deal with that!
3. If you want us to have an article about the other Shmuel Yerushalmi, the one who was killed in 2002, then I suggest you click on this link Samuel Yerushalmi (mortuus 2002) and write the article for us, briefly, in English, in the style of an encyclopedia, not copying text directly from another site. Include his date of birth if you can. When you've done that, go to the Vicipaedia:Taberna and add at the bottom of the page a note asking someone to translate this article into Latin for you. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:56, 9 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
4. Addendum: Do not forget to add references to reliable sources. --UV 13:16, 9 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

• • There are no reliable sources!! Metzujan 08:46, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
    • Actually, about that Shmuel Yerushalmi, there are reliable sources: see e.g. [1] and [2]. But no one now wants to write the article, it seems. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:12, 4 Iunii 2009 (UTC)

Self promotion

This socalled "poet" is not known- he has used a translation machine to put his personal profile on 17 (!) different Wikipedia's but he is not known as a poet and has no encyclopedic value: this is pure spam/ self promotion, there are NO OBJECTIVE sources (besides Israeli Myspace) and more importingly no publications whatsoever, nothing! For this reason he has already been deleted by 11 other Wikipedia's including the English, French, German, Dutch, Israeli, Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Norwegian and Polish. See here for the English nomination and deletion. I don't know how to nominate, so it would be helpful is someone would do this for me. Metzujan 08:45, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)

There appear to be 4 Shmuel Yerushalmis visible on the Web: the boy who was killed in 2002; Rabbi Shmuel Yerushalmi, author of several Torah anthologies; Dr Shmuel Yerushalmi, interested in Israeli foreign trade; and the protest poet. This last one, the subject of the present page, is perhaps the least notable of the four. Like Metzujan, I have not found any mention of publications by him. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:12, 4 Iunii 2009 (UTC)

Disputationem recludo. Pagina enim delenda est, et haec disputatio in Disputatio Vicipaediae:Propaganda inserenda. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:09, 10 Iunii 2009 (UTC)

Sergius Stephanus Velez

Usor:Martssnail proposes deleting this page as spam, and says the ISBNs are false. I am not sure yet whether a similar proposal has been made and discussed on other Wikipedias. Comments welcome. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:55, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

This young writer from Colombia has been listed under "Propaganda multiviciana" (Vicipaedia:Propaganda). In the Spanish Wikipedia the article has been deleted as "Artículo de autopromoción". --Martssnail (disputatio) 11:21, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

I found some discussion here: es:Usuario discusión:Martin Champagne. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:18, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

Here's a review of one of his books. That book has a preface by no less a figure than a former president of Colombia, but the reviewer, amusingly, didn't think much of the president's contribution: "Para esa segunda edición, que sería un éxito, recomiendo omitir el inútil y pedante prólogo de Belisario Betancur, refrito de frases rimbombantes y citas acomodaticias". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:35, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

... but since Velez himself was a columnist on El Mundo, the fact that he got a nice review there is not too impressive. Now this is about his 2010 prize: interesting, but the prize doesn't seem very notable: I can't find a single mention of it on the Spanish wiki. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:40, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your research. So we know this person exists but he is definitely not a "famous Colombian writer" as the Wikipedia articles suggest (all created by the same user). His book can only be found in two or three libraries and his blog doesn't look very convincing. --Martssnail (disputatio) 18:38, 12 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

OK, no one having disagreed, I will now delete him and move this discussion to Disputatio Vicipaediae:Propaganda. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:28, 20 Augusti 2013 (UTC)

Augustus De Luca

Si può cancellare questa pagina, creata assieme ad altre decine nei diversi progetti wiki al solo scopo di promuovere questo fotografo? Per spiegazioni e motivazioni potete leggere la sua pagina di cancellazione nella wiki italiana. --Bramfab (disputatio) 08:41, 16 Aprilis 2014 (UTC) un

Notate che questa pagina (cioè la versione latina) è stata creata da un utente che ha solo dato un altro contributo sul nostro wiki, cui latino è cattivo, e che non tentava nemmeno di nascondere la sua intenzione promozionale. Mattie (disputatio) 19:21, 16 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)

Nisi quis abnuat, commentationem delebo... Mattie (disputatio) 18:34, 17 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)

Per me dele! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:03, 18 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)

Cross-wikipedia promotion?

Hi all,

This page has already been suppressed on at least four major wikipedias (German, French, Italian, English):

• 02:46, 16. Mär. 2009 AHZ (Diskussion | Beiträge) löschte Seite Alessandro Esseno (Kein Artikel oder kein enzyklopädischer Inhalt: wirres Zeug)
• 17 mars 2012 à 22:50 Kyro (discuter | contributions) a supprimé la page Alessandro Esseno (Décision PàS)
• 22:37, 1 set 2014 Harlock81 (Discussione | contributi) ha cancellato la pagina Alessandro Esseno (Come da procedura di cancellazione semplificata: Wikipedia:Pagine da cancellare/Alessandro Esseno/3)
• 18:28, 8 September 2014 FreeRangeFrog (talk | contribs) deleted page Alessandro Esseno (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

On Italian speaking Wikipedia, the pages it:Alessandro esseno and it:alessandro esseno have been restaured and re-deleted many times, starting with first deletions in 2006. They had to write-protect the page to prevent its creation.

Best, --Agatino Catarella (discusión) 01:44 11 sep 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. For a living person we should have some reliable source independent of the subject, and at present we don't. I have suggested deleting, therefore. Other comments welcome. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:24, 11 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Yes, for such a prolific artist, it's an exceedingly sketchy article. It could perhaps be saved by a few sentences citing or quoting reviews of his works. Amazon.com hasn't heard of him—which may mean that none of his supposedly published works are available for sale in the United States. ¶ Meanwhile, the Spanish & Portuguese wikis record the curiosity (so called, in their languages!) that Esseno is apparently not a surname in the modern sense, but what, from Vicipaedia's point of view, is equivalent to a Roman cognomen, taken in honor of the Essenes as known from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Therefore, it makes the whole name translate to Alexander the Essene in English and thus escapes the no-translating-surname exception and admits of the conversion to Alexander Essenus, which conversion has now been made. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:03, 11 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

But someone (in ignorance of or disagreement with this point?) has changed it back again. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:06, 11 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

I looked at his home site biography, which is the best source we appear to have (though not good enough, as I said above!) It doesn't appear to say what you report, and the first para implies that his parents' surname was the same as his. If I misread, or if you can find better sources, for this and anything else about him, do indeed cite/quote! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:16, 11 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

It's a mystery, as his parents must then have had a different surname before 1947, if the Spanish wiki is to be believed: "El apellido Esseno deriva de la comunidad de los Esenios venida a la tapa después del descubrimiento de los Manuscritos del Mar Muerto en el 1947." = 'The nickname Esseno derives from the community of the Essenes, brought to light after the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.' This statement is unsourced, so the whole article remains suspect! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:29, 11 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Ha Seung-moo

I don't see any reliable sources here. I agree with the deletion proposal. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:01, 19 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Certe commentarius statu praesente (20:20, 19 Ianuarii 2015‎) reprendus est. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:30, 19 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Dear Andrew Dalby! I highly enough Latin translation skills.

Sir! Please help to translate Ha Seung-Moo's English documents into Latin information.

<Ha Seung-Moo's English documents> 1) http://poetofoz.blogspot.kr/2011/12/blog-post_2027.html) 2) http://cafe.naver.com/kprc/10

Someone is missing the point, methinks. Keywords above: reliable sources. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:58, 22 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. The article has now been deleted -- it was attracting anonymous vandalism. It is quite likely that as rector of a college Ha Seung-Moo can be shown to be notable. The article could therefore be re-created, but it needs citations of reliable sources independent of the subject (most likely, newspaper or magazine articles about him). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:26, 27 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Eduinus Kanka Ćudić

Since this is about a living person, we would need to have an independent external source (or more than one) confirming the main facts and showing the person's notability. There is no independent source at present. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:20, 23 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

Since no such source has been added and the article resulted from cross-wiki spamming, I am now deleting it and will move this discussion to the relevant page. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:33, 3 Septembris 2015 (UTC)

Georgius Queirolo Bravo

See also meta:Multilingual_speedy_deletions#Jorge_Queiolo_Bravo_and_related_articles

This page has been suggested for pan-wiki deletion. On Vicipaedia we don't usually delete such pages in the case of published authors, artists, etc. Any opinions in this case? I have meanwhile added the page to our list at Vicipaedia:Propaganda, because it certainly was cross-wiki spamming. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:06, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

That seems to me to be the bast way of handling the case: if it's true that he's written all those books, then he does have a "claim to fame"; but if his article is the result of cross-wiki spamming, then that fact also might well be recorded. IacobusAmor 17:52, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you like, you can find here my thoughts about this author and his encyclopedic relevance. Cheers, Kved 22:15, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. While there's nothing laudable in self-promotion and vanity, I'm asking myself whether this speedy deletion measure is an overreaction. Judging by his achievements, this guy well deserves an article, but of course preferably by somebody else but the author himself. While we are at the self-promotion issue, what about Lingua Loquisiru? And can we be sure Vicipaedia doesn't host any garage bands that have been active a couple of years and then quitted? Moreover, if we look at Categoria:Scriptores Finniae, we find, ridiculously enough, only two persons, the older one being much else than a writer, and the latter, a single-book writer c/o editor which no more exists and which has published some books by amateurs. He has obviously been advertised by a friend. Basically, I'm not overly interested in busybodying like this, and I won't pursue this matter any further. But I mention these examples in order to create some balance. --Neander 00:30, 21 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone not associated with latin language is getting any publicity by creating a page on the latin wiki; moreover Neander's point quite valid; for a small wiki such as ours, rather than obsess over these vanity pages; time is better spent creating good pages for the more notable authors, artists, etc... Reminds me indeed of the wealthy businessman who complains, in front of property-less supermarket employees who earn but the minimum wage, that he doesn't have time to properly consider which companies he should sell off. :)--Rafaelgarcia 01:12, 21 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

If the facts of the article are accurate, does the manner by which they reached Vicipaedia matter? IacobusAmor 16:00, 24 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

The consensus above seems to be against deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag from the page (it is still there above, and further comments can be made). I have cut the article down to worthwhile facts, and added a link to Vicipaedia:Propaganda. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:11, 24 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

That seems to be a good way to go: keep the article, pared down to its facts, and post a notice in Vicipaedia:Propaganda so that the record will satisfy people who disparage certain kinds of advertising. IacobusAmor 19:08, 24 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

The "delenda" template has just been placed on the page anonymously, linked to a discussion two years old at meta in which it was noted, without adverse comment, that we at Vicipaedia had discussed the page and decided to keep it. So what the anonym expects to gain by reviving the matter I don't know. Pending further elucidation, we keep the page, I think. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:36, 21 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Usor:Erik Warmelink made a minor edit above and added the note: "luxo:186.110.126.25 isn't anonymous, the host is named host25.186-110-126.telecom.net.ar". If you're involved in all this, Eric, it would be useful to give some more intelligible opinion! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:03, 23 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

I am not involved, I don't want to be involved, my name isn't Eric and the note I added was "luxo:186.110.126.25 isn't anonymous, the host is named host25.186-110-126.telecom.net.ar". You might find that link interesting, host25.186-110-126.telecom.net.ar's contributions seem a bit repetitious. --Erik Warmelink 02:00, 27 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're talking to a technical novice, Erik. Using that clue I get only this page, which tells me nothing except that someone wants the page deleted. Well, I knew that. Never mind; maybe someone who understands will comment! Thanks anyway. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:10, 27 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Further checking shows that Erik has been blocked for trolling, sockpuppeting etc. elsewhere, so he's now blocked here too. This was all a tiny waste of time. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:27, 27 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

I ought to have corrected my comment long ago. I have never understood what Erik wanted to tell us, with the messages above, but that's merely my ignorance. He is certainly not a troll or sockpuppet, he is on the side of the angels (as they say) and I unblocked him as soon as I realised this. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:08, 29 Martii 2014 (UTC)

The deletion question arises once more. This time all the external links are dead so the page currently has no proper sources. Perhaps the fact that GQB is still the subject of pages in Estonian and Lower Saxon is sufficient for the world. I now think we should delete this Latin page.

It is a curious fact that Usor:Erik Warmelink was based on the Lower Saxon Wikipedia. He made comments above that were unintelligible and timewasting, and I blocked him as a troll. He eventually explained himself in clear English and got me to unblock him. But I see that he was soon afterwards globally blocked and has been so ever since. I wish that self-published Hispanic authors, their friends, their enemies, and those not involved with them, didn't take up so much time :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:32, 4 Iulii 2018 (UTC)